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    Default The check-raise.

    Most of the stuff I have read on the internet, for limit poker, said that check-rasing is one of the best move you can do to put more money in the flop/knock out some opponent.

    After reading some book and checking a no-limit forum, a lot of people says that it is not always a good play.

    Any though on the check-raise? What situation must you/must you not use it?

    here is what I think, comment & more thoughts on the subject are welcomed :

    1-Agaisnt maniac,early, I would check-raise with a monster, since I know he is going to pay me off and not going to fold to a check-raise ( a lot of time, I check raise and the maniac often go all-in right aways--> maniac hate to be tricked hehe)

    2- Against passive/weak, mostly a check raise if he raise preflop, then make a weak continuation bet, I might try sometimes to check raise if I have few out ( semi-bluff then).

    Here is what I think is the best thing to do, but when you are 4 tabling, and no pokertrack ( not for too long), you can't really know who to check raise.

    I find myself check-raising a lot more than I should. Most of the time, I check raise my made trip, & two pair. But I really don't know that if I do this too much, people would just throw away hand because they fear check-raise??

    As you see, I am a little lost.

    Comments on the check-raise please!

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    you have AQ in the BB the flop is AQ7 with 2 clubs. 3 other players and the button is real aggressive.

    this is a good time to check-raise, with a coordinated flop (2 clubs, 2 high cards) someone else has most likely caught a piece of this flop and will bet hopefully the button. you cut down any opponents who are drawing to a flush or inside straight and trap anyone playing a weaker Ace.

    if the player to act after you was the aggressive player you should just bet out. since your check-raise will only increase drawing odds and your hand is fairly vulnerable.

    on the other hand if you flopped a set instead of 2 pair you would want to check-raise to increase the pot not to eliminate draws since your hand is less vulnerable. so if the button is the aggressive player you should bet out, if the player to act after you is the aggressive player you should check-raise


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    The down side if check raising is that you give free cards, and lose bets when it doesn't work. So like Steve said, you have to be pretty sure the guy is going to bet.

    The good part about it is that people almost always think you are bluffing when you do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    The good part about it is that people almost always think you are bluffing when you do this.
    This I disagree with. While some players do take this as a bluff, alot, if they have been observant, take this as strength.

    Speakng of CR bluffs thgough, I had the BEST tell ever on a net player. Every time he missed the river, he would CR bluff, he NEVER CR'd if he hit his hand, hed bet out. I made so much off this guy from this tell.
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    I almost always think of a C/R as a sign of strength from an ABC player.
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    Can you do like "too much" check-raise? is it good to check-raise a lot when the player are not really looking at what you do? ( <100NL).

    Also, when I flop like top set in a raise pot( flop not too much menacing), sometimes I check-call flop, check raise turn, as if I want to get paid, player are less inclined to fold on the turn ( if the card is not scary).

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    In a raised pot its generally better to try to get the raiser to put a lot in on hte flop with you.
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    The check-raise is the most effective bluff. Instead of wanting a fold, you want a call. You're inducing you're opponent to make the "wrong" decision.

    I approach check-raising like semi-bluffing. You don't mind taking the pot down now as is, but if you get called, you're not in bad shape.
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    Default classic bluff

    The bluff with something like a 90% chance of working (at higher limits is:

    1] You're early
    2] no preflop raising
    3] rainbow flop with high card <=T
    4] check all round to last postion who bets
    5] you CR.
    6] Late calls
    7] You bet 50% pot
    8] He folds (90% time) on suspicion of overpair.

    In isolation this wins a few bb and has little real value over one hand.

    To my mind the real value is that if you do it early in the game..ppl tend to log you as a bluffer and are more prepared to enter the flop and see you through to the river.

    In NL the real danger of the preflop 'check' is you can give a free card without getting any information about where ppl are.

    Maniacs I prefer to call down - they get more and more frantic on each street - increasing thier bets in an attempt the buy.. CR would slow them down....

    If I'm up against a rock I do CR for kicker v's draw...
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