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  1. #21
    River Rat Crundy's Avatar
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    Here's a good example of me being a twat with aces:

    Hand #1508935986

    Players:

    #1: sky314 ($4.47)
    #3: Djulsson ($2.47)
    #5: colsie666 ($4.13)
    #6: LUIS0M2 ($1.54)
    #8: iknowpotodds ($6.55)
    #10: Crundy ($5.02)

    Preflop:

    iknowpotodds posts Small Blind ($0.01)
    Crundy posts Big Blind ($0.02)

    (Cards)
    Crundy has SA CA
    sky314 Folds
    Djulsson Raises to $0.06
    colsie666 Calls $0.06
    LUIS0M2 Folds
    iknowpotodds Calls $0.05
    Crundy Raises to $0.18
    Djulsson Calls $0.12
    colsie666 Calls $0.12
    iknowpotodds Calls $0.12

    Flop:

    Cards: DK HK SJ
    iknowpotodds Checks
    Crundy Bets $0.72
    Djulsson Folds
    colsie666 Folds
    iknowpotodds Raises to $2.88
    Crundy Calls $2.16

    Turn:

    Card: S6
    iknowpotodds Bets $3.24
    Crundy Goes all-in $1.96

    River:

    Cards: S4

    Result:

    iknowpotodds shows SK HJ

    iknowpotodds wins $11.16
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    You are indeed correct, and here is the hand (I might make some excuses for it later but bascily I played it like a twat) hand analysis / flaming welcome.

    Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
    LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

    UTG: $54.80
    UTG+1: $50.50
    UTG+2: $40.80
    MP1: $43.70
    MP2: $52
    CO: $33.80
    BTN: $50
    Hero (SB): $50
    BB: $82.10

    Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (SB)
    UTG raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $6.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $6.50, BB folds, UTG calls $4.75

    Flop: ($20.75) 9 T K (3 Players)
    Hero bets $15

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    I can't talk, but I guess you should have raised preflop. Not that i would have made a difference, as there were two raises before you. With that flop you are in the shit. Unfortunately, like you, I just can't drop aces when I have more than one opponent and a scary flop. I would have check / folded on the flop, because I know what my luck is like with goddamn aces!!

    I will now make another of my promises: Raise hard preflop. Bet hard postflop and fold if I get raised. Check/fold thereafter if someone bets. Is that a safe play with AA? Won't make much money, but equally won't lose 250 big blinds in one hand again.
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    Yeah, I think you should 4-bet it preflop... by flatting, you're essentially pricing UTG in to call, but that means you're going to a flop against two opponents, which is not good for aces. Presumably since he's 3-betting an UTG raiser, UTG+2 has something big enough that he's going to call your 4-bet preflop, and probably your flop shove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xopods View Post
    Yeah, I think you should 4-bet it preflop... by flatting, you're essentially pricing UTG in to call, but that means you're going to a flop against two opponents, which is not good for aces. Presumably since he's 3-betting an UTG raiser, UTG+2 has something big enough that he's going to call your 4-bet preflop, and probably your flop shove.
    I would go so far as to say ship it all in as your 4-bet. You know you are ahead, there is a decent amount in there, and you really don't want to be in there against 2 people who have something. Give them something to really think about.

    Of course I have a ways to go before I get to NL50 so take that with a grain of salt. I do know that getting my money in preflop with AA is essentially (weird tourney bubble moments etc aside) always good, so I would be pretty content to do it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22Fish View Post
    You are indeed correct, and here is the hand (I might make some excuses for it later but bascily I played it like a twat) hand analysis / flaming welcome.

    Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
    LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

    UTG: $54.80
    UTG+1: $50.50
    UTG+2: $40.80
    MP1: $43.70
    MP2: $52
    CO: $33.80
    BTN: $50
    Hero (SB): $50
    BB: $82.10

    Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (SB)
    UTG raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $6.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $6.50, BB folds, UTG calls $4.75

    Flop: ($20.75) 9 T K (3 Players)
    Hero bets $15
    honestly, flatting there looks exactly like AA. A 4bet, however, would look more like AK

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