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    I wouldn't say AA is the only thing he can have here... but between the turn and river, just about everything you could have beaten has now drawn out on you, so you should probably just check/fold, or maybe check-call if the guy's a bluffdonk and you think he might be in here with 54s whatever. Betting makes no sense, as there's no weaker hand that would call you except a real idiot with QJ, and about the only thing that beats you that you have a realistic chance of bluffing here is QQ.
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    Minraising is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crundy View Post
    Explain.
    If you dont realize that by waiting for the nuts to go allin you will go broke then you really should quit poker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJPerry View Post
    Minraising is bad.
    I know, but I have found that preflop raising any more than the minimum nearly always causes everyone to fold. Fair enough if you're blind stealing, but quite annoying when you have a premium hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRE8R View Post
    If you dont realize that by waiting for the nuts to go allin you will go broke then you really should quit poker.
    I have no problem going all-in in a tournament, when you have to be as aggressive as possible, but I have lost a lot of cash with a very good hand and lost to the nuts by going all in. In a ring game it costs dearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crundy View Post
    I know, but I have found that preflop raising any more than the minimum nearly always causes everyone to fold. Fair enough if you're blind stealing, but quite annoying when you have a premium hand.
    Yes, but even idiots will eventually figure out that your min-raise means a huge hand and will be looking to stack you with two pair or better. Even if they haven't seen you do it, they've seen enough other noobs doing it that it's not really deceptive.

    No one likes to see everyone fold when they have AA, but I'd prefer zero callers to two callers any day of the week. Make a proper raise, and hope to isolate someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crundy View Post
    I have no problem going all-in in a tournament, when you have to be as aggressive as possible, but I have lost a lot of cash with a very good hand and lost to the nuts by going all in. In a ring game it costs dearly.
    You are just approaching poker in the wrong way man.
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    In example raise bigger to iso the limper and fold to the 3bet pre. You have enough leaks without calling 3bets OOP w/ marginal hands. Getting all in is extremely situational dependent in a cash game. Sometimes TPTK is good enough and sometimes a str8 is not.

    When to do it? short answer is depends
    3bet pot I will get the money in w/ TPTK almost always
    single raised pot PF, depends on the villian I am against, sometimes TPGK is good and sometimes a str8 is an easy fold on the river when the 3rd flush card hits, just like sometimes its a snap call.

    When to call? depends on villians range for shoving, what his stack size PF and on the flop are. Board texture, etc.

    As to knowing when a player has the nuts or a good draw is all about hand ranges and hand reading analysis and that is an entirely different set of books

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