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what do you think about folding KK pre-flop in this situation?
1) opponent has 15/10 stats
2) a) I raise 4xBB, he reraises 12xBB
OR b) he raises 4xBB, I reraise 12xBB, he shove

I think (a) is kind 50/50, but I'd almost always fold (b)
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a.) 3-bet every time. If you run into aces here it sucks.
b.) Depends how deep stacks are. Have you seen him play AK, QQ like this in early position?
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15/10s probably play hands like JJ and QQ more like the nuts which is really where AKo gets a ton of its equity. Not many people will show up with AQs/o in that situation so you shouldn't even look foward to that equity.

anyways. 4bet (a) i stack in (b) but im a donkey with ako
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6 or 10 handed?
How deep is stacks?
What positions are you both in?

If its 6 handed and 100bb deep then lol at folding as a normal play.
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Always fold. No one 3bets without AA.
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Always fold. No one 3bets without AA.
the doubt is not if I'll lose always, but if I'll lose more than I'll win
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Poker stove it. If that program still exists?

Give him whatever range of hands you feel he can have here. I guess that leads to the obvious question:
what range of hands can villian have in situation A and B?
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Hand 1: KhKd
vs.
Hand 2: QQ+, AKs

Equity
Hand 1: 52.1%
Hand 2: 47.9%


Looks like even vs a pretty tight preflop nit you're ok. You're 50/50 vs QQ+ also.
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Hand 1: KhKd
vs.
Hand 2: QQ+, AKs

Equity
Hand 1: 52.1%
Hand 2: 47.9%


Looks like even vs a pretty tight preflop nit you're ok. You're 50/50 vs QQ+ also.
yep
but if you take QQ out and add AKo:

KK - 47,3%
KK+,AK - 52,7%


and if you take AK (so, he would just do this move with KK (too rare) or AA), that's just 22,6%

well... now the question would be how often a 15/10 player does that
but I don't think a call is so simple in this situation
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