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  1. 02-15-2009 #1
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    Default folding KKs pre-flop

    what do you think about folding KK pre-flop in this situation?
    1) opponent has 15/10 stats
    2) a) I raise 4xBB, he reraises 12xBB
    OR b) he raises 4xBB, I reraise 12xBB, he shove

    I think (a) is kind 50/50, but I'd almost always fold (b)
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  2. 02-15-2009 #2
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    a.) 3-bet every time. If you run into aces here it sucks.
    b.) Depends how deep stacks are. Have you seen him play AK, QQ like this in early position?
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    15/10s probably play hands like JJ and QQ more like the nuts which is really where AKo gets a ton of its equity. Not many people will show up with AQs/o in that situation so you shouldn't even look foward to that equity.

    anyways. 4bet (a) i stack in (b) but im a donkey with ako
    iif u raise my raise one more ****ing time i will come over there and slit ur throat
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    6 or 10 handed?
    How deep is stacks?
    What positions are you both in?

    If its 6 handed and 100bb deep then lol at folding as a normal play.
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    Always fold. No one 3bets without AA.

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  6. 02-15-2009 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJPerry View Post
    Always fold. No one 3bets without AA.
    the doubt is not if I'll lose always, but if I'll lose more than I'll win
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    Poker stove it. If that program still exists?

    Give him whatever range of hands you feel he can have here. I guess that leads to the obvious question:
    what range of hands can villian have in situation A and B?
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    Hand 1: KhKd
    vs.
    Hand 2: QQ+, AKs

    Equity
    Hand 1: 52.1%
    Hand 2: 47.9%


    Looks like even vs a pretty tight preflop nit you're ok. You're 50/50 vs QQ+ also.
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  9. 02-15-2009 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid View Post
    Hand 1: KhKd
    vs.
    Hand 2: QQ+, AKs

    Equity
    Hand 1: 52.1%
    Hand 2: 47.9%


    Looks like even vs a pretty tight preflop nit you're ok. You're 50/50 vs QQ+ also.
    yep
    but if you take QQ out and add AKo:

    KK - 47,3%
    KK+,AK - 52,7%


    and if you take AK (so, he would just do this move with KK (too rare) or AA), that's just 22,6%

    well... now the question would be how often a 15/10 player does that
    but I don't think a call is so simple in this situation
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    lol
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