lol @ folding KK on the bubble in an MTT.

lol @ folding KK ever in an MTT.

i mean, if its a spot where its like a satelite or qualifyer where all the prizes paid the same thing, then I could understand the fold seeing as how making it first and just in the money would give u the same prize.

but in a standard MTT?? not something I would ever do.

I was sort of playing a free roll one time (was playing another video game that took up more of my time, every few min I'd check in to see if I had a hand worth playing) and was down to around 5 before the button. I clicked back to my screen to see KK as UTG+1 and very quickly hit the I'm Back button. I was probably 80+ BBs deep back at the time, no danger of busting out or anything, when UTG open shoves and has me covered just barely. I think, sweet double up late and on the bubble and I don't even have to pay attention to make the final table. Turns out he had AA. >_>

At least it was a free roll and I hadn't really been playing it anyway.

FWIW, yes, I can understand folding KK or even AA in the very specific situation where:

Only one more person needs to bust out for everyone to make the money.
Three people are all-in, and you have a hunch the shortest stack of the three has the weakest hand.
You're so short that even quadrupling up leaves you in the red zone.
The first 20, or 30, or 50 paid spots all pay the same thing, and the next couple dozen don't pay much better - this is often the case in big MTTs.

Even then, I'm not sure I would do it if I had at least 3xBB in my stack... amazing comebacks are possible, and I'd really like to cash big in a huge MTT... but let's look at the extreme case, as proof of the concept. Say on the previous hand, my donkish opponent had made the standard donk joke of betting 1 chip less than my stack on the river. I felt I had to call, but since we were so close to the bubble, I didn't push my last chip in. Now I have 1 chip. Obviously, now, I stay out of the hand and hope that one of the two bigger stacks wins the all-in and the shorty busts out (or the shorty wins, but the deepest beats the 2nd)... quadrupling up to 4 chips isn't going to help my chances any, obviously - I'm already dead in the water, and I'm just hoping enough people go out before the blinds get to me that I'll make the money.

Okay, so that's a ridiculously contrived scenario, and most of us would get our chips in if we had, say, 10xBB, since quadrupling up to 40xBB makes us a serious contender. But the fact that it's a no-brainer to fold AA when you have one chip in that situation proves the point that somewhere in between those two cases, there's a transition point, below which folding any hand becomes correct.

^Semi-unrelated but that reminds me I was playing at a live tournament one time. We were already at the final table and the tourney paid the top 10, so we were already in the money. This guy got raised to all but his last 1000 chips (blinds were 1000/2000 at the time) preflop and he just called then folded the flop. I asked him why he would do that and he said just wait and see. Instead of getting paid $60 for 10th place, 6 people busted out that orbit and he got 4th for a few hundred bucks.