Originally Posted by MJPerry

lol I can't believe this is being discussed.

yep, very few players are capable of folding KK pre-flop
most amateurs don't even consider that possibility

but it may worth to know your equity in some situations like that

PS: this is not an average player... we already have some useful info (15/10 player), which already narrows a lot his hands and his playing style

Unless you know with extreme certainty that the guy is not playing JJ, QQ or AK this way, you just keep raising with KK until the money is in, and if you go broke to AA, you take it like a man and don't second-guess yourself. By the time there are enough raises that you start feeling like he's likely to have AA, there's already a lot of dead money in the pot and you don't have to be ahead of his range to shove it all in, you just have to have the odds to do so... you'd need an extremely solid read to make folding your best option.

Going broke with KK to AA is like going broke to set-over-set. If you're getting away from it, you're probably losing more money the times you're wrong than you're saving the times you're right.

Originally Posted by MJPerry

He's still 3betting like JJ+ and AK, sometimes TT, AQ and air. And he's willing to get it in with QQ+ and AK sometimes, rarely JJ. You have KK, 100BBs deep against anyone but a 3/1 just get it in pre and be happy 100% of the time.

so you think that logic is correct even if he has 5/3 stats?
you get what I mean? sometimes, based on more info than what an average player would do, your decision should change
if a player has 5/3 stats and 3bet, I'm not sure calling/shoving is +EV
I don't know if it's also valid for 15/10, but where's the line? 8/5? 6/4? I don't know...

Originally Posted by MJPerry

TBH it doesn't matter who it is you should never fold KK to a 3bet.

ok, thanks for your opinion (if you can prove that playing that is +EV, it won't be just an opinion anymore)
lemme see what other people think also