Quite the contrary. 98s is an amazing hand against a calling station, as if you raised preflop, the only cards they're scared of are an A or a K, since that's what you "must" have. Any 9- or 8-high flop is going to look to them like you whiffed, so you're good to put in bets on two streets with just top pair, if the guy is really loose-passive... and if you flop two-pair or trips, you're so likely to stack the guy. Even a calling station can usually get away from bottom pair if you raised preflop and there's an A on board.Originally Posted by kavelot
Plus, if you get a straight or flush draw, they'll let you draw cheaply and pay when you hit, especially the straight.
But what I'm saying is that if their range is "any Q" on that board, and you have KQ, you're +EV to call a push, even if you're going to go broke sometimes.
Trying to bluff someone off two pair or a set at 25NL is not a genius play. It's a lost cause, unless the board is 89TJ spades. I'm talking about something like:12) I though about one more... don't try to make genius plays! :P
sometimes it become very obvious with your opponent have... maybe you put him on 2 pairs or a set, and a flush/straight came
if he's playing loose, your bluff will still be called a lot of times
because if you raise pretending it's for value, they call "because that's a few bucks"
if you raise "pretending" it's a bluff (when it actually is), they call "because he bet too much, must be bluffing"
You raise from the button with JTo, he flats. Flop A98, two suits. He leads out. You flat, putting him on a weak ace. Turn is a blank. He figures you for a stronger ace or a flush draw, so he checks, to find out which it is. You check behind, so now he's sure it's a flush draw. Now:
Possibility 1: River is a flush card. He checks, you 2/3 pot it, he folds.
Possibility 2: River is a straight card. He checks, you 2/3 pot it, he calls. Or he makes a small bet, you make a reasonable raise. He thinks for a while and then probably calls.
Possibility 3: River is a blank. He checks, you check. Or he makes a small bet, you fold.
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Thread: 25nl strategy
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02-09-2009 #11Check Raiser
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Last edited by Xopods; 02-09-2009 at 07:04 AM.
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02-09-2009 #12Chaser
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02-09-2009 #13
Yea, you wont get people laying down two pair or sets much or ever especially if the game has been agro up to that point.
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02-09-2009 #14Check Raiser
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I don't know about that. Maybe if the suited cards are the 8 and 9, but if it was say the A and 8 of clubs, I don't know if a reasonable sized bet does tell you where you're at, since there are so many possible combo draws or pair + draw hands that will call even a pot bet on the turn. I suppose most people would reraise/push AK/AQ to your information bet, though.
It's been a while since I've played much full ring. I'd be C/C-ing a weak ace on that board at least part of the time, though, to keep the pot small, make my river fold easy if a draw hits, and extract turn semibluffs/river bluffs from a draw to compensate for the times I'm losing to a big A. Also, a lot of cards on the river will make a big A slow down and save me money, while simultaneously making a busted draw more likely to bluff.Last edited by Xopods; 02-09-2009 at 09:54 AM.
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02-10-2009 #15
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02-10-2009 #16Chaser
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if you're willing to just play agressive if the A come, I think that's ok
but that will happen like 15%(?) of the times
and even if you get the A on a board like TJA (or even 4JA, as long as he calls your first bet and a T or Q comes), it becomes hard to play
with 44/67s it's easier, IMO, to lose less or win big
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02-11-2009 #18River Rat
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you're fucking high...it's shark week.
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07-12-2009 #19
I think at 25NL it's key to just be patient. Even if you are really really tight, people will just call it off anyway. This will do you fine up to 100NL at least. If you notice regulars at the table, and you have a tight image, then bluff them just based on board texture and range (raise or check-raise cbets on 'dry' boards eg K72) but DONT go running multi-street bluffs on them.
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