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    Chaser ColdHardMetal's Avatar
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    Default WTF is this guy on about?

    The book is:

    Insider Secrets To Playing Texas Hold'em Poker Online by some guy named Theo Cage.

    I found it online in a big zip file of "Essential Poker" books so it wasn't exactly recommended by anyone or anything like that.

    He is talking about odds and a situation where you are holding K9o and the flop comes 87K rainbow. He points out other people might be close to a straight so you probably need another K to stay in the hand.

    He sounds relatively rational until page 31 where he says, and I quote (emphasis in the original):

    "Clearly you need three-of-a-kind to stay in the game. Another king.

    As far as you know, there are 2 other Kings in the deck (you never count what you think someone else has in their down cards).

    The odds are simple to calculate.

    There are 17 cards dealt (based on 3 down and 7 players with 2 cards each).

    You need 2 out of 17 cards = 11.7% odds.

    The betting starts and you can see the pot is $180 when it gets to you.

    How much can you bet?

    11.7% of $180 = $20.

    If you know you need another King to win , the most you should bet to see the next card is (based on what you know) is $20."


    Now upon first reading my first thought was what the hell is this guy talking about. 2 out of 17 is totally meaningless.

    Upon subsequent thoughts nothing has changed and Mr. Cage's credibility is in strongly in question.

    So my question is am I really not understanding something here or is Mr. Cage seriously misinformed?

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    Mike McDermott tightagressive's Avatar
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    lol

    no way do people really think like that

    he does realize that both three of a kind kings, and one pair, kings, both lose to a straight right?

    I'm not even going to get into how much dumber I am after reading how much I am supposed to call with K9 on a K high flop

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    Does he not realise that a) a pair of kings beats a straight draw and that b) three kings still loses to a made straight?

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    you don't understand. if you hit the king on the turn then you have a BOAT draw on the river which beats the straight.

    ... errr what? rofl.

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    I guess the theory is that if you hit the K then that doesn't help anyone's straight draw so you are in good shape then or, uh, something.

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    yeah but well, in that case he should also count every cards like 2, 3, Q which doesn't help anyone's straight draw either. Also why the HELL doesn't he calculate other persons hand's cards ????????? Is he an idiot ? When calculating odds he can't just select the 17 left cards by saying that the kings are in those. The other kings can be as well in somebody else's hand.

    Anyway, he is a true idiot, believe me on that one.

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    poker books tilt me
    Quote Originally Posted by tightagressive View Post
    so like, 1.5 years ago i'm at the casino w/ a friend. were playing the $600 max 1/2 sicko game that i always play and cruuushh for mirrions.

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    This explains everything! Everyone playing online except me has read this book.

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