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Old 05-03-2005, 10:08 PM
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I'm stunned!

My friends are real amateur poker players, they just learned the game! Everyone always calls the big bling and no one ever raises it except me. They look at me wierd when I do that like if i didnt know how to play!

They pretty much always call small bets after the flop with nothing.

Yet I constantly lose against them! CONSTANTLY!! What am I doing wrong? What kind of play should I do?

Thanks in advance for all the help!
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Old 05-04-2005, 01:23 AM
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challenge them to lower stakes within your BR and 5-6 table at once vs them.

LOL, J/K.


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Old 05-04-2005, 02:58 AM
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Here is what I would do:

1. Never bluff
2. Loosen up a little bit preflop.
3. Raise less preflop- you won't be beating these guys preflop so most time a raise preflop with anything other than AA-QQ will be wasted. You have to beat these guys on the flop and beyond.
3. Only bet when you hit your flop and if a scare card comes back the hell off because it probably hit one of the 28 ppl in the hand with you.
4. Bring a briefcase to carry away the spoils of victory.
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why raise less pf? if you got AK you will still win more than their random hands... so you would want the money in pf

just play solid. value bet everything. no bluffs. maybe you just havent had enough hands with them and its still short term variance.
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why raise less pf? if you got AK you will still win more than their random hands... so you would want the money in pf

just play solid. value bet everything. no bluffs. maybe you just havent had enough hands with them and its still short term variance.
I'd like to keep the same argument in the same thread, so before we start having a ridiculous crossover, this subject is being discussed here:
http://pokerforums.org/showthread.php?t=3107
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I had the same problem a few months ago.

I'm a very agressive No limit player and I bluff a lot on the good tell to steal pots.
That was the problem. I was called all the time against bottom pairs, inside str8 draw, 1 overcard, and all taht shit...

I now play a lot more passively on the flop and wait for mistakes. I still raise hard pre flop with every hands I play.

Succes is back, been profitable from that point.

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Raise MORE PreFlop like JKo said, since you know they're coming anyways, Punish them for entering the pot in the first place.
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Thanks everyone for all the help, the next game is sunday, I'll let you guys know what happens.
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Thanks everyone for all the help, the next game is sunday, I'll let you guys know what happens.

Is this NL or Limit? What is the blind structure and stack sizes?

With your good hands you want just 1-2 callers max. So raise the highest amount they will call, will they call an allin?

If nobody raises, limp with any suited connectors above 45, and all pairs. Wait until you hit the flop big and bet aggressively. Bet as much as they will call. Pot size bets, allin bets?


Seriously, these are the easiest games to beat. Practice patience and self control and you will make all the money.
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