This is at a somewhat tight $2/$4 limit table with some call stations mixed in. These are two hands that I played very poorly because I could not read the cards of the loose aggressive player correctly.


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: GTSamIAm is MP2 with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, GTSamIAm raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, GTSamIAm calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) , , (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, GTSamIAm checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, GTSamIAm folds.

Turn: (8.25 BB) (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: GTSamIAm is UTG+1 with , .
UTG calls, GTSamIAm raises, 1 fold, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG calls, GTSamIAm calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) , , (3 players)
UTG checks, GTSamIAm bets, MP2 raises, UTG calls, GTSamIAm calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) (3 players)
UTG checks, GTSamIAm bets, MP2 raises, UTG folds, GTSamIAm 3-bets, MP2 caps, GTSamIAm calls.

River: (16.25 BB) (2 players)
GTSamIAm checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

EDIT: Removed results

First hand. No reason to raise PF, especially when you have LAP's behind you who you know iwll raise and cost you a few more bets. IF you had a marginal hand that plays best HU, like 22, then a riase would be a good idea becasue you can then count on the LAP to 3 bet and isolate you if possible. The is a seemingly cally table, so its doubtful.

Second hand. WTF? You raisde the flop, but then call, then you cap the turn? If your looking for info, y9ou need to do it on the flop. Its cheaper. You neede to 3-bet the flop to get a feel for what he really thinks of his hand. Then when he caps the flop, you can assume hes probably got you beat, but your hand is strong enough to call it down. I didnt even have to check the results to know hes got aces or Kings. You cot yourself A lot of money by raising the turn and not the flop.

First hand. No reason to raise PF, especially when you have LAP's behind you who you know iwll raise and cost you a few more bets. IF you had a marginal hand that plays best HU, like 22, then a riase would be a good idea becasue you can then count on the LAP to 3 bet and isolate you if possible. The is a seemingly cally table, so its doubtful

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in this type of game I would muck this hand pre-flop. I want 1 loose player who will not chase post-flop in ahead of me to try to isolate with a raise. otherwise I'm folding.

If i'm in late position with 2 or 3 limpers I would limp in like Marm suggests.

the second hand I would muck pre-flop as well. AQ is just playable from early position if the game conditions are right. You don't have the right conditions to be playing it here, semi-tight table but aggressive and call downers after the flop.

A.) When posting strategy threads, please don't post results. They taint the responses and making your feedback flawed- All of it.

B.) I agree with Steve in mucking both hands preflop in these scenarios. Your position is your enemy in these cases. The KQ hand is too crowded for a tight table for you to raise and too many boards get you in trouble to limp.

Your AQ hand is worthy of a raise to open the pot in middle or late position here or limp left of CO or later with other people in the pot. This is a tight table in that people aren't seeing many flops, but they're showing that they're willing to pay off the best hand on the turn and river from these two hands, but I could be wrong.

C.) That being said, you saw both flops:
Hand #1:
You have to call the flop. You're getting 16.5:1 with your overcards and your implied odds are at least 4.5:1. Call this down. No help by the end- fold.

Hand #2:
Call the raise on the flop and check/call the remainder of the hand. This is where your position lost you money here. I'd agree with a 3 bet if you were in later position to induce a CR attempt and check to the river and call a river bet to minimize the loss. The only hand that's gonna bet the turn is one that has you beat- same with the hands that will raise you on the turn.

Calling the flop raise is fine, but you need to put a read on your opponent. If you're unsure, call here. You only need to win this hand with this board once out of 10 times to make a profit. No reason to raise or CR here. UTG and MP2 just sticking around is bad news.

Originally Posted by bboy

Hand 1: Raise PF is fine. Call down hoping for overs.

I asume you are being sarcastic right?

My statements refer to looser tables, while Steves and Alex refer to tighter tables. Both are correct, and I'm not sure where these tables lie without more info, since in both cases, they landed somewhere in between loose/tight. Dunno where the tables truly are. Regardless, each set of comments is accurate for their respective settings.

yes Marm is right, I think I even said I agreed with his thoughts on limping with KQ earlier.

I would classify this table as semi-tight/aggressive, with no bluffing opportunity.

AQ should be almost an automatic muck from early position in a game like this.

#1 people are selective about the hands they play, it is not no fold em hold em.

#2 a big part of the winning % of a hand like AQ or KQ for that matter is to get the pot heads up or 3 way with position so when you miss you can bluff at the pot when your opponents also miss (which will be most of the time) you will only spike an Ace or a Queen 27% of the time.

At this table you do not have position, and it doesn't seem like people will fold bottom pair or an underpair and will call you down. Also with the loose/aggressive behind you 3 betting you have given up control of the hand. basically you have defined your hand to the rest of the table where he hasn't.

OK missed that it was Party, which is their second lowest limit, if it was Stars or UB, then the higher limit rules apply. So this is a SSH table then...... OF course, I have seen the rare TAG at a nickle/dime table too, soo......

2/4 on party is not the no fold em tables everyone thinks. I play these quite a bit and constantly come across decent players. a 25-30% table VPIP is about the average at 2/4. and people routinely semi-bluff, check-raise, and get free cards correctly.

while 2/4 is there 3rd lowest limit you cannot constantly play bad 2/4 poker unless you like losing $1,000+ a week. playing .05/.10 you can play as poorly as you want and only lose $25 or so.

It is NOT a small stakes hold em table! look at his description and the 2 hand histories. Don't let the stakes confuse you as to how people play.