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Old 04-24-2005, 11:55 AM
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This is a 10+1 tourney on Pacific, blinds are 50/100, about 45 minutes in.

I'm in BB with
UTG raises minimum raise to 200, there are 5 callers to me.
I have 1750 left in my stack, and with 1000+ already in the pot, I push my entire stack in. UTG thinks for a while and decides to call, everyone else folds.
I figured that noone had aces or kings, and that they likely had low-medium pairs or Aq-T. So, by pushing, I was fairly sure that they would the pairs would fold, and that I'd be dominating any other ace.
Was this the right move?

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Old 04-24-2005, 01:04 PM
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good play. pretty standard
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sounds ok to me. only thing i'd worry about is something like QQ hanging around (especially if someone's really shortstacked), but they should fold out, and no one really played like they had QQ preflop. and if they had it, you've still got 46% odds to win the pot.

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Looks good to me.
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Ok, just making sure I'm doing this right.
UTG (who called) had AQo, and ended up 3 outing his two pair.
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Whats your read on UTG and why would he min raise?
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Here's what I thought of him:
He's not great, but I did see him raise more than the minimum before. Because he was UTG, the min raise showed me he had a mediocre hand, but he felt obligated to raise with it (ie something like QT, or KJ, etc.)
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AQ and KQ are pretty common min raising hands.
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Old 04-25-2005, 04:15 AM
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its just a bad beat do the same exact thing next time and double up
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I think I'm definitely in the minority here, but I'd be inclined to just call rather than push here. I'd call for several reasons.

First, as things stand, the pot is laying you 5:1 on your call. Those are very good odds for your drawing hand (albeit a very good drawing hand).

Second, it is unlikely that your push is going to take down the pot. With five callers, someone is going to see your bet.

That leads to the third point. With your bet, the pot is now 2750. IF people think you have a big pair, then others with pocket pairs will figure that they are only 4:1 dog. Anyone who has 700 chips or less should now call, and once one person puts in his last 700 and the pot rises to over 3400, even larger stacks can call. I know that you said that you got only 1 caller, but depending on the chip stacks around the table, you could have reasonably anticipated more.

This phenonmenon is even more true if people put you on a hand like AK. I'm pretty sure that AK is only a 60/40 favorite to all unpaired hands that are not dominated by it (i.e., Ax and Kx). Moreover, as you know, it is an underdog to all paired undercards. Thus, once again, you're all-in move made the pot so large that a lot of players could have justified a call against your AK, including the medium pairs that you were hoping to knock out.

The thing that I would worry about here is that your cards are probably out among the 5 callers and that you in fact get called by someone with a pair. If that were to happen, then you might be an even bigger underdog to the pair than the usual coin flip because some of your outs are not live.

I wouldn't say that your push here is definitely the wrong move, and I can see it as a reasonable play. However, in reading the other posters here, many seem to agree that it is the standard way to approach this hand. In my post, I just wanted to lay out some reasons why playng the hand less aggressively may be justified, too.

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