Originally Posted by OrionPro

Suppose you have a weak pair, 22-66 or so, in late position.

Against which positions and villian types do you typically call/fold, assuming a standard 4x raise?

Harrington suggests that calling is a mistake against EP raisers, however I don't quite understand his logic since those hands are strongest and therefore most likely to be overplayed by weak players.

Another related question (FR only): Suppose you limped UTG with 22-66, do you always call a subsequent raise, say 4-5BB with it?

I'm assuming 100 bb stacks in all scenarions.

Full Ring 22-66 plays better in a raised pot than an unrased pot.

You have 22 in a limped pot and flop comes down 259r and you get 100bb in vs a reg you are never winning. They know they've given 100-1 odds on the pot and so arent stacking off ever even if they have limped a overpair.

You have 22 in a raised pot on 259r and they can have TT-AA and given the pot was raised pre be comfortable to get it all in. They have given you 25-1 odds or so and flop goes bet/raise/shove rather than bet/raise/3bet/shove.

Originally Posted by OrionPro

Ok, so let me rephrase the question, under which circumstances do you fold 22-66 in FR/6max (assuming there's no reraise of course)?

In an aggressive game I will open fold 22-66 in the first 3-4 seats.

If I open raise I am going to get 3bet often, floated on alot of flops when I cbet if my raise is flat called and be in tough spots with a hand which 1/9 of the time is pretty much trash postflop.

If I open limp I am likely going to be raised by such a wide range by players in LP that I will not have set odds to call and play for a set. If a guy playing 10/4 raises my limp great, I can call and play for set against QQ+ and AK. If a guy playing 12/9 raises my limp I am not getting paid of regularly enough against his range and again 22-66 just play so poorly on 1/9th the flops. Even if he has total air like J8o on a 349 flop and you check-call a cbet you are still OOP with him having 6 outs and you not knowing which 6 they are.

I will also fold 22-66 to a MP/LP raise when I am in the blinds as a default. Again the raisers rnage is wide meaningwe don't have set odds, and we are out of position with a hand which 1/9 the time is pretty weak postflop.

I'll play them if i'll be in position after the flop and the stacks are deep enough... i'll fold them if i'll be out of position or one of us has a short stack.

The type of villian actually doesn't go into it very much. A very tight player is less likely to stack off with a weak hand, but MORE likely to actually have a hand worth stacking off with. A maniac is more likely to call off his chips with top pair, but less likely to have a hand that can even make top pair. Maybe that's a leak for me lol... not sure yet

Small pocket pairs = most overrated hands ever.

I raise 22-66 utg in 6 max games.
I never open limp but do call behind in some situations.

For example UTG MP and CO limp ill limp on the button just because the chances of getting them to all fold out not to mention the people left to act. I like raising in the small blind though since if you see a flop you are oop.

I'm pretty bad for calling out of the blinds with weak pairs, but there's usually enough donks around to make it a multiway pot which is fine when they won't give up top pair.

In position to a 4x raise with 100bb stacks I'm very unlikely to fold unless I know I'll rarely get paid off when I hit.