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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    I'm pretty bad for calling out of the blinds with weak pairs, but there's usually enough donks around to make it a multiway pot which is fine when they won't give up top pair.

    In position to a 4x raise with 100bb stacks I'm very unlikely to fold unless I know I'll rarely get paid off when I hit.
    ok but then you aren't setmining right? In that case you prolly steal the pot sometimes or win unimproved (I hope )
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionPro View Post
    ok but then you aren't setmining right? In that case you prolly steal the pot sometimes or win unimproved (I hope )
    Well yeah that's the other reason to call but I'd prefer hands that play better postflop to do it with.

    I suppose I mis-worded it before, maybe it would be opponents who play well enough postflop to make it difficult for me to play small pairs profitably.
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    I saw an sbrugby vid the other day re: small pairs in the blinds vs. a button raiser.

    He said that it's a lot better to 3-bet than call since you fold out a lot of his trash and keep in the stuff that is more likely to stack off when you flop a set, plus then you obviously have the advantage of being the aggressor.

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    I only play 6 max so don't compare this to a FR strategy

    UTG I am open raising all PP's, if 3bet will 4bet/call/fold based on villian - at the limits I play at the villians have not started to 3bet light yet so this is still profitable for me - already know that the next level up is more aggro so will have to follow lines similar to Wota's

    Late position depends on effective stacks first and opponents PFR range second, here I will either 3 bet, flat call or fold

    In the blinds
    AA-JJ 3bet for value, 1010-77 call for set-mine, 66-22 3bet/fold based on opponent and effective stacks.
    I don't like flat calling with the low pocket pairs because they really have no show down value unless you flop a monster or bluff, so by 3 betting them I am balancing my 3 bet range in the blinds

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    intresting sid im more likely to 3 bet AA down to 99 in the blinds as im fairly sure i have the best hand,

    the lower pocket pairs 88s to 2s im likely to call down on a mining mission,

    But it all depends on villians raising range really,
    Especially in the blinds i mean its a completely different kettle of fish playing pocket pairs from the other postions but hey what do i know im a losing nl25 player lol.

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    I got this straight from the cardrunners preflop hand chart.

    IF there is no raise in front, you should raise UTG with any pair. As well with the button. As well as middle position.

    IF there is a raise in front, you should flat call in all positions accept for UTG.


    Im not entirely sure what set mineing is, but if someone could let me know that would be great!

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    Having a pair in your hand which you wont continue betting unless you hit three of a kind.

    Trying to find the balence of making the pot big enough to play for their stack if you hit, and making it easy to get away from if missed.

    Low sets are very well disguised.

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    The Brystmar chart is a great guide and if followed should help in making proper preflop decisions as you learn the basics of 6max strategy

    Chewbacca13: To be honest 3betting the small PP in the blinds is something that I have just started to incorporate as I am moving up to 50nl and is not recommended for someone just learning the basics. At the site that I play at there are alot of 25/21 and 21/18 with high steal %. So against these types of players the small pocket pairs help me to not be easily run over, but now you are moving from preflop play to post flop play which is an entirely different discussion.

    The problem with only 3 betting a narrow range in the BB is that you allow the "thinking player" to play optimally against you. Granted at the lower stakes and depending on the site this person is hard to find. In position I am much more likely to flat call and use my position post flop to win the hand. And again this all depends on the player you are involved with

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