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  1. 04-20-2005 #1
    JN1
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    For some reason, Bison just won't convert this for me. I've tried several times and it just sits there for like 15 mins.

    Hand #5510132-94 at Tue1020pmA-045 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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    Started at 19/Apr/05 23:41:22

    mrbobbarue2u is at seat 0 with 5320.
    SKINSFAN1 is at seat 1 with 1745.
    JoelN is at seat 2 with 5540.
    XEl MatadorX is at seat 3 with 6820.
    MYSTMANCURSE is at seat 4 with 690.
    The3camguy is at seat 5 with 1045.
    pokerdottie is at seat 6 with 2930.
    nhbguy is at seat 7 with 4450.
    jojotbone is at seat 8 with 8580.
    Bigdogstar510 is at seat 9 with 1310.
    The button is at seat 8.

    Bigdogstar510 posts the small blind of 50.
    mrbobbarue2u posts the big blind of 100.

    mrbobbarue2u: -- --
    SKINSFAN1: -- --
    JoelN: 9s 9h
    XEl MatadorX: -- --
    MYSTMANCURSE: -- --
    The3camguy: -- --
    pokerdottie: -- --
    nhbguy: -- --
    jojotbone: -- --
    Bigdogstar510: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    SKINSFAN1 folds. JoelN raises to 200. XEl MatadorX
    folds. MYSTMANCURSE calls. The3camguy folds.
    pokerdottie folds. nhbguy folds. jojotbone calls.
    Bigdogstar510 folds. mrbobbarue2u folds.

    Flop (board: 2d 2s 6h):

    JoelN bets 750. MYSTMANCURSE goes all-in for 490.
    jojotbone calls.

    Turn (board: 2d 2s 6h 6s):

    JoelN bets 205. jojotbone raises to 410. JoelN
    calls.

    River (board: 2d 2s 6h 6s 3c):

    JoelN checks. jojotbone checks.


    Results in white:
    Showdown:

    JoelN shows 9s 9h.
    JoelN has 9s 9h 6h 6s 3c: two pair, nines and sixes.
    MYSTMANCURSE shows Qs Kh.
    MYSTMANCURSE has Kh 2d 2s 6h 6s: two pair, sixes and deuces.
    jojotbone shows JavaScript Jh.
    jojotbone has JavaScript Jh 6h 6s 3c: two pair, jacks and sixes.


    Hand #5510132-94 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    jojotbone wins the main pot 2220 with two pair, jacks and sixes.
    jojotbone wins the side pot 1340 with two pair, jacks and sixes.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    MYSTMANCURSE is eliminated.

    So it was a weak bet pre-flop, but that had gotten rid of the crap hands previously and did the same here. Mystmancurse's all-in meant nothing as he had been shortstacked and pushed at least 2x in the past 6 hands with crap and rivered to hang on. Jojotbone, I didn't know much about. He had just been moved to the table, IIRC. The turn bet was weak as well, and probably caused me cost me the most. I knew it was a weak bet, and thought he was trying to buy the pot because of it, since I was pretty sure the 6 on the turn didn't help him out.

    I put the guy on a small pocket pair, and I thought I had him with top 2.

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  2. 04-20-2005 #2
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    Thats a very ugly board for 99..... I dont know if I would have played it any differently though. I think the turn I would have put a big bet in again. Say annother 750 or whatever....if I was goin to go for it I would have gone hard, tried to get him out of the pot, take the money he had allready put into the pot. But, this could have also been a bad play, because if he is sitting on a 2 or 6 he will most likley call anything. I'm a very aggressive player after the flop. Pre-flop I wouldn't have raised in early position. That would have also given you a little mroe of a heads up, beucase jojotbone would have (I asume he would have) raised with JJ. And you would have probably laid your hand down after he raised on the flop assuming he had a high PP. Still, you didn't do much wrong, just got caught with him having a little better hand than expected.
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  3. 04-20-2005 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerstud_17
    Thats a very ugly board for 99..... I dont know if I would have played it any differently though. I think the turn I would have put a big bet in again. Say annother 750 or whatever....if I was goin to go for it I would have gone hard, tried to get him out of the pot, take the money he had allready put into the pot. But, this could have also been a bad play, because if he is sitting on a 2 or 6 he will most likley call anything. I'm a very aggressive player after the flop. Pre-flop I wouldn't have raised in early position. That would have also given you a little mroe of a heads up, beucase jojotbone would have (I asume he would have) raised with JJ. And you would have probably laid your hand down after he raised on the flop assuming he had a high PP. Still, you didn't do much wrong, just got caught with him having a little better hand than expected.
    226 is a great board for 99. THe flop action would be annoying, but not bad. OK the short stack has a 2 we assume, but the other has now added enough chips to the pot that we can play for this side pot. Be cause of the potential size of the side pot, this is not a check it down and see if we can eliminate him scenario. You play for that side pot now. You basically write off that main pot as dead now., unles you catch a 9, then its all yours

    Turn, 2266, now theres less of a chance of him having a 6, and since we already have the short on a 2. he probably doesnt have one of those either. Make a pot size bet here too. Your bet was less than the PF bet... WTF? That is mondo weak bro. At LEAST 1k is required here. He'll probably get the hell outa the way then. He reraise is so much weaker than your bet, given the size of the pot, you should have pushed right then. Your weak PF bet (min raise) and his flat call tells me that hes got crap. i would be 90% sure thats hes got a crappy ace, and thats what hes drawing too. On the turn he figuresyou got crap too and he grew some balls and decided to test your weak bet with one of his own. I woulda pushed in right there. Force him out right then and there.

    Of course his weak passive play woulda been my downfall since there was no way I coulda put him on JJ. A board of 22663 should have you jumping for joy in a raised PF pot with 99. Short of hitting a nine itself, this is a money pot.
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  4. 04-20-2005 #4
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    PF -

    I hate min raising (especially in EP). Either limp looking for set value, or kick it up 4-5xBB.


    Your bet on the flop seems a little big - a little bigger than that pot.

    Post flop play really isn't too bad, you only lost about 1200 chips. Not too much you can do in a spot like this.
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