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    So I tend to be the guy either folding or raising to cbets, when I've called PF. But I notice a lot of the time loose players call me in position they just call a cbet, which puts me in a tough position on the turn if ugly cards are out there and I don't have anything. To counter that I'm tending to try to lead much more in position, and at least not have loose callers/floaters acting behind me if I raise a medium strength hand pre flop.

    But it occurs to me I can use this floating to add a BB/100 or two if I could execute this well.

    My question is, in position, what sort of boards/opponents do I want to float a cbet to, rather than raise/folding? Does it depend on my hand strength too, or are we just doing it because we don't believe he is strong?

    And is the "standard" play to fold to a double barrell and raise the turn when checked to?
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    ones where you're opponents are likely to miss

    for instance the board reads : : : and you have qj on the button to an early pos raiser

    well if hes gonna cbet 100% of the time then you can float him and reraise him on the turn when a : comes off because more than likely he'll have 2 overs

    but if he reraises well you're done shut down

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    It's definitely something to work into your game but make sure you do it against opponents who can fold and don't have you down as getting out of line. I find a solid TAG who you have little history with is a perfect target to pound on like this.

    You want boards you can represent something on while also a board they will cbet a huge range with. If the board is really connected they are less likely to have air when they cbet and may at least c/c the turn forcing you to really get out of line if you want the pot. Off the top of my head, good spots to float and bet turn:

    - Prefer to do it when you have little/no showdown value. Sometimes a mid-pair/ace high will be good and it's better to just try and check it down (obv they then see you're calling light on flop so you need to adjust).
    - If the turn completes a draw and they check to you.
    - If turn is a scare card (A or K, that kind of stuff) and they check.
    - Dry-ish boards which it's still believable you've hit, Q64/KT5 etc etc.

    It's worth bearing in mind you'll need to balance this with calling some monsters every now and again, but you probably know that.

    That's all I can think of at the moment, disclaimer though: I'm tired so may have talked crap.
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    Also the pf position of the raiser is important. I wouldn't make a habit of floating an UTG raiser but if it's bvb or CO v BTN etc. then it's all good.
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    I normally like some overcards or a backdoor draw, or a board where some scare cards could come on the turn. Floating the guy in the CO or CO+1 is your best bet.

    I think it's pretty overused though, but I can't say I don't do it.

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    So it's safe to say you'd rather float a cbet so that you are losing the minimum if you were wrong, rather than re-raising and getting shoved on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sb944 View Post
    So it's safe to say you'd rather float a cbet so that you are losing the minimum if you were wrong, rather than re-raising and getting shoved on?
    Well you want to do a bit of both, cos you don't want people thinking you only raise their cbets for value otherwise you'll never get paid with a big hand. Likewise, floating can create the laggy image that will get your draws paid off later on. When they adjust, you adjust etc. etc.

    Not that alot of this goes on even at 100nl, if you avoid the regs (like I do) and stick to stacking fish then you won't need to bother with it too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    I find a solid TAG who you have little history with
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeYakaBaka View Post
    what is so confusing about this

    what david said is right, table seleciton and you need not bother, it's more of a feel thing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeYakaBaka View Post
    A solid tag with no history will:

    - cbet alot
    - not do fancy c/r bluffs on the turn
    - raise a fairly wide range pf
    - know where the fold button is located
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