can someone tell me why on earth i was called here...the guy then says at the end "tough call".....HOW WAS IT A TOUGH CALL, he has no hand!!! am i missing something obvious here, maybe i can`t see because i`m blinded by rage.


------HAND 4------
Game #590302183: Texas Hold'em No Limit (7/15) - 2005/04/20 - 07:31:21 (ET)
Table "STT1 516163 - 1" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Slothking (1000 in chips)
Seat 2: it_figrs (835 in chips)
Seat 3: rannoch (985 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXNO1XXX (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: Booyakka (1345 in chips)
Seat 6: Uri2005 (1000 in chips)
Seat 7: judgeozz (1000 in chips)
Seat 8: 4asorflus (1000 in chips)
Seat 9: Teacher67 (1000 in chips)
Seat 10: Cardin001 (835 in chips)
rannoch: posts small blind 7
XXXNO1XXX: posts big blind 15
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Uri2005 [Js Jh]
Booyakka: calls 15
Uri2005: calls 15
judgeozz: folds
4asorflus: folds
Teacher67: folds
Cardin001: calls 15
Slothking: calls 15
it_figrs: raises to 100
rannoch: folds
XXXNO1XXX: folds
Booyakka: folds
Uri2005: calls 85
Cardin001: folds
Slothking: calls 85
----- FLOP ----- [6d 8s 2s]
Uri2005: checks
Slothking: checks
it_figrs: bets 200
Uri2005: raises to 900 and is all-in
Slothking: folds
it_figrs: is all-in 535
Returned uncalled bets 165 to Uri2005
----- TURN ----- [6d 8s 2s][Qc]
----- RIVER ----- [6d 8s 2s Qc][8h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Uri2005: shows [Js Jh] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Eights, Queen high)
it_figrs: shows [Qh Jc] (Two Pairs, Queens and Eights, Jack high)
it_figrs collected 1822 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 1822 Main pot 1822 Rake 0
Board [6d 8s 2s Qc 8h]
Seat 1: Slothking folded on the Flop
Seat 2: it_figrs (button) showed [Qh Jc] and won (1822) with Two Pairs, Queens and Eights, Jack high
Seat 3: rannoch (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: XXXNO1XXX (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Booyakka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: judgeozz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 4asorflus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Teacher67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Cardin001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

assuming your URI:

He was pretending he had AA - you didn't preflop raise - which usually means you don't have high PP.

JJ are notorius losers against KK,AA many would put them down.

He had outs with the over cards on a very weak flop. He was bluffing but his preflop raise should have prompted questions in your own mind.

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Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
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i agree it did raise questions in my mind however i didn`t believe he had a better hand. I`m the one who raised him all in, what with the gap concept and all how on earth can you call an all in with no hand whatsoever. He may have been pretending to have AA but the bottom line is he didn`t and was an 86% to 14% under dog....crazy call

I didn't see your all in first... graphics help..on the other hand he was going to be left with a very small stack if he folded.. he probaly figured that pot odds justified it. If for example you had 99, TT or AK

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Doberman: "but Sarge, isn't poker gambling and just luck?"
Sgt. Bilko:" not the way I play it"

I dont think this hand requires much analyzation. You were called by a bad player with a bad hand. Unfortunately there are some people who will call with almost anything to save themselves the indignity of having to lay down a hand due to a bluff-gone-wrong. They would much rather call your all-in and leave quickly; or in this case, get lucky and have a big stack.

I`m not sure how you can say that you knew he didn`t have pocket aces, kings etc, but go with your instinct as it appears to be correct at least for this hand.

Just because someone "acts" as though they have aces doesn`t mean they do. If you laid down every hand to someone who acted like they have aces you would be the biggest sucker out there. Poker is not a game for remembering situations and then copying them for the next time it comes u, that is a fish mentality, you should indeed be acting on instinct and honing your skills to call people like this.

Good call, bad luck , get over it.

What bob said.

But for future use: Using BHC (BisonBison's Hand Converter)

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What Marm said,
But for future use: http://www.pokerforums.org/river-rats/

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I thought River Rats was for sympathy and ranting.

This chap was looking for analysis.


The pot has 1100ish chips in it that he stands to win.

Assuming he doesn't put you on AA KK QQ and there is no reason why he should then he's probably managed to justify putting his remaining 535 chips in on the basis that he's committed to the pot and has live outs.

You may also have made a previous move on another that suggested you were weak that he was reacting to.

Not that I'd have played it the same way but it's worth understanding the mind of the calling station

My bad, thats sure what this looked like.

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This was definitely a bad beat, but don't toot your horn by plugging his so fast.

1.) If you're willing to put T100 (6.7BB's) into the pot PF, raise it to T40 or T50 PF. Raising to T100 here is dumb with anything outside of AA or KK and calling it here isn't very smart either.

2.) He bets T200 on the flop and you re-raise all in because you think you have the best hand. Again, Why aren't you making this re-raise PF? If you have the best hand on the flop, you had the best hand before the flop. The flop didn't help you.

3.) Why are you putting all of your money in the pot in the first level of the tournament with a pair of Jacks. Why doesn't your opponent have AA, KK, QQ, 88, 66, or 22? Bad players get the same amount of good cards as you do. The deck doesn't know the odds or what a bad beat, bad call, bad move, or how much is in the pot relative to the bet.

4.) Why are you willing to put all of your money in the pot at all in the first level, not to mention what looks like the 1st or 2nd hand of the tournament with one pair? Unless it's PF with AA or KK, there's no reason for this.

You need to protect your chips better. If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. The man who never goes all in wins because he's the only one that can never go broke.

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