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Old 04-19-2005, 07:26 PM
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Ananlyze, especially PF. Another effin "shit he didnt raise me enough to get me out of this pot" scenario. Actually in hindsight, I only had 2 outs, or runners to the straight, Odds werent there. Bad call on my part.

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saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t25983)
MP2 (t67582)
MP3 (t15888)
CO (t28021)
Button (t14436)
SB (t11186)
Hero (t42041)
UTG (t23305)
UTG+1 (t6822)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
5 folds, CO calls t2000, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to t8000, CO calls t6000, SB folds.

Flop: (t17800) , , (2 players)
Hero bets t12000, CO raises to t19921, Hero calls t7921.

Turn: (t57642) (2 players)

River: (t57642) (2 players)

Final Pot: t57642

Results in white below:
Hero has Th Ts (two pair, tens and nines).
CO has Kd 7d (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: CO wins t57642.
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
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Well for 1 thing, a horribly played hand preflop by the cutoff.

1) he should fold or raise here, calling is horrible

2) Your raise is substantial enough that he should have folded or moved all in on a steal

Pocket tens are tough when someone calls. I would have just moved him all in preflop, you probably have the best hand and will be ahead if called or he will fold which is OK because you pick up a 5K pot with a vulnerable hand.

another viable option is to check and see a cheap flop with a good chance to trap if you hit a set or if the board is unders.

On the flop I'm not to keen about your bet, you bet too small for the pot but it is also enough that you're getting pretty good odds to call his all in raise, you might as well just bet all in yourself.
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I actually thought the CO maybe had a monster hand from the way it was played. Definitely a horrid call PF on his part. In your position Marm, if you're going to raise I'd make my raise based on stack sizes rather than using a standard 4x raise (at least my guess is that's why you chose 8K as the number to raise to). I like to put my raise at between 1/3 and 1/2 of their stack, and at the very least I would want my raise to cover all the chips left in front of the SB.

With 10's, Steve's suggestion of just pushing all in preflop has good merits too.
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Well I thik you did'nt play taht hand that bad...

Maybe I would have go all in preflop to avoid Ax and KQ to call and pick up the 5k already in the pot.

This K on the flop would probably have slowed me down too. However, it was indeed a check or big bet situation.

It's hard to say without much information about your oponent.

I would'nt fell bad about thit beat in any way... your oponent definately played it pourly pre flop.

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I would either bet 5-6BB since you are out-of-position, there are antes in the pot, he already limped, or push all-in.

4xBB is a good opening bet, but you are not opening the pot.
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I would've just re-raised it to T5k preflop and bet T7.5k-T8k on the flop to win the pot. If he calls, I check/fold the rest. If he raises, I fold. If he has 2 spades, you can expect those to be higher than your T or at least one of them are higher. I wouldn't wanna risk too much on a coin flip if I do have the best hand here.

You didn't have to raise that high PF. It forces you to put more in the pot on a really bad flop. Don't be afraid to play some poker. You have 24BB's and he only has 14. If you raise to 4 BB's PF, he's going all in, calling and going all in on the flop, folding here, or folding on the flop. A lot of times, he's calling, hitting an overcard and going all in on the flop and you're out of position.
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You didn't have to raise that high PF.
It was a 3 bb raise.... I dont like anything less.
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I don't either, and at this level, a 3x raise is only a pot builder with people in the pot, they aren't folding.
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It's been bugging me here, why did you call the a flop? You know he has either Ks or a set of 9s, and you're on a flush draw, etc to improve, right?

So why call?
I'm a n00b, forgive me.

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Old 04-20-2005, 11:36 PM
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you shoulda said it was a $2 mtt that changes everything

i was watching him and at the time i didnt think 8k was enough. i would much rather go 10k and make he think a bit about calling. if hes limping for 2k with k7, he wont have a hard time calling for 6k i dno.
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