Cake Poker
Home
News
Articles
Site Reviews
Book Reviews
Interviews
Chat
Tournaments
60% Rakeback
50% RakebackNew!
125% Rakeback
Probabilities
Glossary
Poker Gear
Links
Advertise
User Name  
 
Password
Cookie?  
 
 
Poker Players on Launchpoker.com
LaunchPoker.com provides you with all the information you need about this year's WSOP event, from the 2008 WSOP schedule to the latest 2008 WSOP updates.
Online poker reviews of rooms such as Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars and Titan Poker.
Extras

RakeBack
PokerListings

Go Back PokerForums.org > Strategy Discussion > General Poker Strategy > A Theory Idea to combat lite 4 betting.

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 04-30-2008, 07:33 AM
squeezyplayer's Avatar
Poker Hustler
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,113
Trade Rating: (0)
Limits Played: $3-$6 NL
Default

aha what
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Personal Poker Pal
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 04-30-2008, 09:44 AM
davidab157's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 6,525
Trade Rating: (1)
Limits Played: $0.50-$1 NL
Send a message via AIM to davidab157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by squeezyplayer View Post
your estimations of the typical 5/10 player's 4bet/fold and 4bet/call ranges are absurdly misguided
Against an unknown I doubt they are gonna look you up that light. Sure they'll adjust but then you obv adjust the shoving range and frequency.

And I doubt eclipse would come up with this calling range at a limit he's pwned without it being fairly accurate.
__________________
For Free Money, Poker Gifts and Rakeback I recommend PokerSourceOnline.

I have to recommend Cardrunners for superb poker coaching. It was honestly the single biggest improvement in my game signing up there! Sign-up fee might seem steep, but it pays itself back within weeks.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 04-30-2008, 04:58 PM
squeezyplayer's Avatar
Poker Hustler
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,113
Trade Rating: (0)
Limits Played: $3-$6 NL
Default

well come on, his hypothetical opponent is folding to a shove 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME THAT HE 4BETS. and then i'm supposed to be impressed when he points out that under those conditions it is profitable to 5bet bluff?? NO SHIT
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 04-30-2008, 11:45 PM
Eclipse86's Avatar
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 1,583
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gder03 View Post
eclipse, what does your HUD setup look like?
what program you use?
what stats do you have, and which do you care about the most/

Read this post b4. To tiered to reread again.
Will read tooorow b/c I remmebr how good it was.
It basically looks like this:

[Player's Icon]Name
VPIP/PFR/AF
Steal: XX% H: XXXX <-- "H" stands for amount of hands
call cbet %/ raise cbet %

Im also thinking of throwing in call turn bet % and fold to flop raise % somewhere at the bottom but haven't gone around to that yet.

I use PT2 + PAHud btw. If you don't already have both, go buy them! Its definately well worth the investment. If you want, I can send you my HUD Layouts (I have them for party, ongame, ipoker), but the ones I have are for full ring tables.

Of all the stats available on PA HUD I hold those up there as the most important. I think all those stats up there are equally as important. Each stat is like a piece that completes the puzzle, without one it becomes harder to solve the equation.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 04-30-2008, 11:50 PM
Eclipse86's Avatar
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 1,583
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by squeezyplayer View Post
your estimations of the typical 5/10 player's 4bet/fold and 4bet/call ranges are absurdly misguided
lol, well.. I am a typical 5/10 player and those 4bet/fold and 4bet/call ranges are actually my ranges vs a person I have pegged as a lite 3-bettor (in fact my ranges are actually a bit looser then that). So I would assume that most good TAG/LAG regulars would do the same (obv this is player dependant tho, and you need the read to go with it). So no, they are not absurdly misguided.

Last edited by Eclipse86; 04-30-2008 at 11:53 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 05-01-2008, 02:40 AM
OrionPro's Avatar
Stu Ungar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,653
Trade Rating: (0)
Limits Played: $1-$2 NL
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclipse86 View Post
It basically looks like this:

[Player's Icon]Name
VPIP/PFR/AF
Steal: XX% H: XXXX <-- "H" stands for amount of hands
call cbet %/ raise cbet %
what's Steal %? Uncalled BTN raise?
__________________
ICM / EV Calculator and other free poker software
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 05-01-2008, 04:07 AM
piv's Avatar
piv piv is offline
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,805
Trade Rating: (1)
Default

ats is open raise from co/btn
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 05-01-2008, 09:37 AM
squeezyplayer's Avatar
Poker Hustler
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,113
Trade Rating: (0)
Limits Played: $3-$6 NL
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclipse86 View Post
lol, well.. I am a typical 5/10 player and those 4bet/fold and 4bet/call ranges are actually my ranges vs a person I have pegged as a lite 3-bettor (in fact my ranges are actually a bit looser then that). So I would assume that most good TAG/LAG regulars would do the same (obv this is player dependant tho, and you need the read to go with it). So no, they are not absurdly misguided.
you're telling me you 4bet/fold with AQ and JJ?
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 05-01-2008, 09:47 AM
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,110
Trade Rating: (0)
Limits Played: $0.05-$0.10 NL
Send a message via AIM to MJPerry Send a message via MSN to MJPerry
Default

*deposits $1000 to play 5/10*
__________________
For poker, casino and sports betting news visit http://www.onlinecasinonews.com. They have a writer on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays who is immensely talented at everything he does.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:15 AM.

   Designed by
      
No Deposit Bonus
Poker Strategy
Poker Rooms
PartyPoker Bonus Codes
Online Poker Strategy
Online Casino Bonuses
Pokerspiele
Casinos That Accept USA Players
Poker Rakeback
Full Tilt bonus code
Rakeback
Poker Site USA
Nowadays in the Internet the Players are looking for a good Casino Bonus to find the best possible options for online Roulette.There is now the option of RtlPoker and a nice Casino Bonus to play some other games then just Poker.
The ideal casino site for gokkasten and even online poker including online casino games that can be found on mijn online casino, your casino information site for when gambling online or even offline.
Party Poker bonus code & room review
Tony G talks about his experinces in his blog
REVIEW OF PARADISE POKER WEBSITE
Online Poker Room Directory and latest poker news
Best Online Poker info on Internet!
Ultimate Bet new 40% deposit bonus
Copyright © 2004-2008 PokerForums.org, a Merendi Networks Inc. project.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.