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Old 03-19-2008, 09:03 PM
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Could someone help me understand the tactics if any behind post flop minimum bets. For example you have AJ and raise preflop from late position approx 4xBB (Blinds 30/60)and have 2 callers. The flop comes A 7 4 rainbow there is about 720 in the pot and first to act bets a whopping 60 which is called my mid position.

Now this is where I struggle as that bet doesn't really constitute a probe bet nor am i able to consider it a value bet. I will raise in this position but what should it be, do i just forget about the min bets and make a half pot size raise. Surprisingly this min betting continues to the turn after I have made my 1/2 pot raise and called, down comes the turn and out comes another bet of 60??? I find it hard to play against this type of betting as it does effectively throw me off my game and it irritates the hell out of me.

Is this kind of play considered donkey play or is there some new and improved strategy book telling players min bets is the way to win at poker?

I usually encounter this type of play on the low limit SNG
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Old 03-19-2008, 09:24 PM
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I usually encounter this type of play on the low limit SNG
Kinda summed it up for yourself there. It's because the don't know what they're doing or why.

The other time you see a min bet is when you lead into a pot of, say $60 for $20, and someone min-re-raises $20 more. This is because they (think they) have a monster and are trying to grow the pot without scaring you off. Again, bad play from someone that hasnt grasped some of the subtleties of NLHE.

Point is, min bet is quite often a bad play. Sometimes you may be pretending to look weak/ignorant hoping for a re-rasie or push, but a good player often see's through this.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:23 PM
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of Poker coaching - Get an online poker lesson - texas holdem strategy for real poker

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($700.60)
Hero ($561.60)
MP ($995.30)
Button ($488.70)
SB ($279.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB calls $12, 1 fold.

Flop: ($32) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB calls $24.

Turn: ($80) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($80) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB folds.

Final Pot: $84

Results in white below:
Hero has Jd Td (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $84.




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Old 03-19-2008, 10:24 PM
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lol
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Old 03-20-2008, 04:10 AM
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LOL

I'd call here with 2-3 here JUST to see your cards.
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Old 03-20-2008, 05:18 AM
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lolol holy crap

what was SB's stats in that hand squeezy
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Old 03-20-2008, 05:21 AM
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That hh is faked imo
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Old 03-20-2008, 06:08 AM
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villain disconnected obv.
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Old 03-20-2008, 06:08 AM
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Raise uncalled minbets 100% of the time and take down lots and lots of pots.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:57 AM
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generally, a small donk bet like that means he has either middle/bottom pair and hes scared shitless of an overpair......raise ~3/4 pot as hes always likely to call with his rag pair, donk bet the turn again before folding to another raise(likely a push from u at this stage)
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