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Old 04-10-2005, 09:50 AM
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Button ($12.80)
SB ($24)
BB ($23.85)
Hero ($35.10)
UTG+1 ($14.80)
MP1 ($22.70)
MP2 ($7.70)
CO ($40.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.75, 5 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1.

Turn: ($3.85) (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP1 raises to $4, Hero raises to $10, MP1 raises to $20.95 Hero..?


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Old 04-10-2005, 10:05 AM
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1.) You need to bet at least $2 on the flop with the two clubs and a straight on the board.

2.) You can feel good about no AA or QQ here.

3.) KJ is a scare, but does Villian play AK, AQ, AT, and A7 the same way?

4.) I don't like your turn raise to $10 if you folded. If you had a true worry, you would've called the $2 min. raise. Raising to $10 makes his only indicator re-raise as all-in giving you 3+:1 on a 4:1 shot if he has KJ. I think you need to call the $2 or re-raise all in here.

5.) I have the feeling that you got trapped with KJ or this is in the Glory Corner Forum.

6.) I could be completely wrong here, but I hope my thoughts are clear.
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Old 04-10-2005, 10:46 AM
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1.) Yes, bad bet
2.) Agreed
3.) KJ is likely, AQ is possible, he'd fold A7 and probably AT preflop
4.) hmm
5.) It's in the strategy forum because I'm wondering how I played it, results don't matter
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:16 AM
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i limp pf with TT utg. i got 25% PFR with TT. open raise latemp or co/button. playing it more for set value and bet out if board comes rags.

i call the turn and call the river if the board doesnt pair. push if it does

you raised the turn because you thought your hand was good. if you raised, why are you thinking of folding now? call 10 to win 40. if you think now its obvious you are beat then you raised too much on the turn because you pretty much PCed yourself. even if your hand is good you have outs. its def good at least 1 in 4 and you will hit even when he has the straight almost enough to justify a call.
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If you misunderstood me, Bonch, what JKoff is saying in his last paragraph:

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you raised the turn because you thought your hand was good. if you raised, why are you thinking of folding now? call 10 to win 40.
(Well, It's about $11 to win $33. Remember, the converter doesn't tell the raise, only what the bet's been raised to.)

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]if you think now its obvious you are beat then you raised too much on the turn
What JKoff said here is what I'm getting at in my 4th point. If you think you have the best hand, wanna raise, but don't want your opponent to fold, you've gotta be prepared to call if he pushes for so little in a cash game. If you're still now sure, take a look at his stack before you determine your raise. From the looks of his stack at the point of his re-raise and the the size of the pot, you're in a call the $2 or re-raise all in spot.
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Old 04-10-2005, 06:26 PM
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mp had a $22 stack so it has to be $40+ pot no? he pushed right?
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i posted almost the same situation a while ago but i was holding pocket aces and made the set, but my flop and turn bets were weak, the guy made a flush and took all my money, but besides that i think the raise after the flop was too weak. I think that in a situation were you hit top pair with a good kicker or a set on the flop and a flush or straight draw is out there, over bet the pot and make it impossible for him to get justified pot odds to call you. In the long run the money will accumulate, and its' better then being put in a situation were your beat and half your stack is in the pot.
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oh wait my bad he slowplayed the straight.. didn't see that.. but if he was on a draw above would be the way to go.
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pot odds are good to call
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MP1 started the hand with $22.70- $0.75 PF- $1 on the flop= $20.95 going into the turn which is the all in.
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