Hand #5208507-16 at CardPlayer2pm-007 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 02/Apr/05 14:09:31

k2thec99 is at seat 0 with 1470.
Mazahs is at seat 1 with 1550.
PokerWitch is at seat 2 with 1670.
Aces Wired is at seat 3 with 1540.
22toot is at seat 4 with 1310.
kokoshep is at seat 5 with 1520.
chicobueno is at seat 6 with 1485.
MarlinHooker is at seat 7 with 1480.
beavis68 is at seat 8 with 1505.
freebird14 is at seat 9 with 1470.
The button is at seat 1.

PokerWitch posts the small blind of 5.
Aces Wired posts the big blind of 10.


beavis68:


Pre-flop:

3 folds. beavis68 raises to 45. Mazahs calls Aces Wired calls.

Flop (board: ): 140 in the pot
Aces Wired checks. beavis68 bets 85. Mazahs folds. Aces Wired calls.

Turn (): 310

Aces Wired bets 310. beavis68 calls. - he could just have an ace, a straight, or a flush, but I have a set damn it.

River ( ): 930

Aces Wired bets 250. I hate this bet, I am getting almost 5:1 on my call, but this is a good portion of my remaining stack, and just what can I beat that would have called on the flop? What do you do?

I am a novice so...

I would call as I would put him on top two pair....as you said your invested in the pot getting good odds....chanes of him chasing a flush from the flop seems unlikely.....but again ima novice...what happend.

since both the straight and flush are there, you gotta bit the bullet and dump this. I would've bet more than you did on the flop and checked/or call a resonable amount on the turn.

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all my fears, they won't leave me alone, they try to push me back, but I won't go, I'll stay right here until I fall face down in the dirt...

You're not getting 5:1. You're getting about 4.75:1, but close enough. About 4:1 at him having a heart and if you were getting 5:1 but logic makes this a bad call when he bets out a bit less than what he bet the turn and calling leaves you in "not horrible" shape, but still bad. I really don't like this call in any way for you. I'm thinking QT at the worst, but does he call with that PF. 99 or 77, maybe, but I think you're up against a heart. I'd put him on the and fold. If he doesn't have it, he'll make this bet if the hand were the same way and you have . You'll get it back from him.

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I did say almost.

I think he had some crappy suited hand, and was afraid I may have him outkicked now that the fourth hit, anyway, I folded.

Made a really nice comeback and got into the top 10 or 20 in chips.

In this case, the difference between his bet and 5:1 is about 4 BB's. That's why I was a little bitch about it.

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no harm done, thanks for the advice, you see my LO8b tourney hand? Feel free to skewer me there.

Glanced thorugh the other posts but heres my take:

"But I have a set damn it" Need I say anything to that?

Then on the river, you said he was giving 5-1 odds to ya, but a RANDOM hand has better than 3-1 to beat you. Thats odds... But as you said, thats the majority of your stack... You gotta look at your Long term tourny EV as part of the reward in those odds. IE, Will you be bale to play a good solid game with a crippled stack if you call and lose?? Also, he doesnt have a random hand... I'd put your chances (Pure guestimate) at 6-1 or worse. Thats a fold.

I dont like the flop bet. Too small. You are offering odds to the FLush and the OESD. the Str8 may already be made, but if you bet more like 110-125, they will be almost forced to reraise or fold.

The turn.... WTF beav. He bets the pot at you with a Straight and flush on board, and you flat call??? Raise or fold bud. I would pu thim on the flush, and get the hell outa there. He check/called on the flop, then came out betting on the turn? Hes got a hand. Dunno what, but it beats you.

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there is no point to raising the turn, if I am beaten I am drawing very slim, if I am ahead, I am way ahead. The only raise would be all-in, I dont like that in this spot. I have no fold equity against a made hand that has me beaten.

the flop bet could have been 105-110, but would have have made a difference? I had outs against any draw.

Yes, but why should you let them make a correct call, then they dont give you odds to draw to the boat??

I agree the turn raise would have to have been all-in if you did it. But you are getting 2-1 on a 10 out draw, which is 4-1, assuming hes already got the made hand then. Therefore you cant flat call this. Raise or fold. Yeah thats a book answer, by the numbers, but without any other info... thats all you got.

Looking at this, I think he may have

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