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  1. #1
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    Cash game-NLHE-Blinds .50/1

    I'm on the button, and look down at 4s4c.
    Small raise to me. I call, and one other calls. 3 to the flop.
    Flop comes Jc4d2c.
    Initial raiser checks, other guy goes all in for about 1/2 my stack, and 3/4 of the other guys stack.
    What should I do?
    a) Fold
    b) Go all-in
    c) Call hoping other guys calls
    Results:

    I just call, and so does the other guy.
    Turn comes a blank, he checks, I go all-in, and he calls.
    Shows AcAd
    Other guy shows KdJs
    Turns comes a Kh, and I win.

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    Looks fine

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    You've gotta go in. Kill a caller's odds with a flush draw, though you're still +EV to call, you're equity is better with an all-in re-raise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    You've gotta go in. Kill a caller's odds with a flush draw, though you're still +EV to call, you're equity is better with an all-in re-raise.
    Thats pretty much what I was wondering.

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    i agree all in.....make them drop their chaser....4's aren't great, just good....take the gauranteed money in the pot and not worry about what you might be able to get

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    Not thinking about it mathmetically or anything (ev or whatever), i like the smooth call. You were able to trap your other oponent into calling with a hand that he may have (probably not though) folded if you would have raised all in.

    On the other hand, if he had something like ace king or king queen of clubs it would have been better to just get it all in right there. So i think it kind of depends on what type of hand the original raiser has. Most of the time though he won't have a draw there and you might be able to trap him. That is of course unless your not being trapped yourself by JJ or something.

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    You're worried of the flush draw? Lol. Best line is call/allin blank turn. *IF* the guy has a flush and hits, you have redraws. But I'm thinking 80% of the time he's on overcards. If the flop was like JTx 2 clubs, I like pushing more because theres more of a drawout chance.

    Furthermore, if he has the flush draw, you would rather him call an allin on the turn instead of the flop since his odds are greatly reduced. And even an allin might not fold a flush draw..

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    I disagree, i would just call to entice the other player in.



    if the first player had $100 and you have $200 player 3 has $150. if player 3 has the flush draw it is almost if not correct for him to call all in on the flop anyway (if he doesn't know you have trips), when he has top pair or something let him in, then move all in on the turn. good chance to triple up not just double up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-O
    I disagree, i would just call to entice the other player in.



    if the first player had $100 and you have $200 player 3 has $150. if player 3 has the flush draw it is almost if not correct for him to call all in on the flop anyway (if he doesn't know you have trips), when he has top pair or something let him in, then move all in on the turn. good chance to triple up not just double up
    I can agree with this as and I've done this many times with the intention of moving in on the turn. If a person with a flush draw calls all in on the flop, he has better odds if he has AQs or even AT if his read is that there are no trips out there, but on the turn, he has more problems calling, but you want him to call all in on the turn.

    I think me calling here if good players are at the table will ring bells in a player's head that I have a big hand. But at the same time, with average players, I like to call the flop and bluff the turn a lot with position on my side. I think I'd have to know a player and the player would have to know me to just call here rather than eliminate a player from the hand with an all in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the alex
    I can agree with this as and I've done this many times with the intention of moving in on the turn. If a person with a flush draw calls all in on the flop, he has better odds if he has AQs or even AT if his read is that there are no trips out there, but on the turn, he has more problems calling, but you want him to call all in on the turn.

    I think me calling here if good players are at the table will ring bells in a player's head that I have a big hand. But at the same time, with average players, I like to call the flop and bluff the turn a lot with position on my side. I think I'd have to know a player and the player would have to know me to just call here rather than eliminate a player from the hand with an all in.
    well stated....sometimes it depends on more then just the cards and the chip count. you have to know how to read the people you play with, and how they read you. me personally, i hate going all in unless i am already in the money spot or have the ultimate nuts.(best hand possible with the cards on the board).

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