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Old 01-06-2008, 04:35 PM
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using the 2 hands u gave, KJo - im prob gonna complete and hope i get a monster flop and with 54s - im 100% completing.

out of the two hands, id be more comfortable completing with 54s than KJo as it should be an awful lot easier to know postflop where u stand with it.

as u said, since micro limits are loose as hell, how likely is it that we flop a monster hand and still dont get paid off?

if we're getting a little over 7/1 pf with hands where we should be able to know where we're at postflop while sitting at a standard loose micro table and NOT completing is possibly a capital crime imo. (in saying that, id be very interested in some numbers dude crunching numbers for hands that are profitable to complete with from sb given the conditions in the OP)
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:43 PM
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One thing about micros is that you don't have to hit a monster to make money. While it might be difficult to extract value OOP with a hand like KJo at higher limits, at the micros you will get paid off alot. Obv it depends on the players at the table and how easily they shove their chips in but I find a hand like KJo more profitable as you get paid more than you would think when you hit a pair. With 45s, hitting the pair isn't nearly as effective.

As you move up levels i think you would find the opposite happen (I'm guessing, not having played higher than 200nl properly).
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I'm more with dee on this one, i'd rather take a flop with 45s than KJo, it's pretty much fit or fold.

Having said, with KJo, as long as you're not going to go broke with top pair too easily you can probably get a fair bit of value out of the weaker Kx type hands.
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u should play really tight from the sb, but im completing with 45s and KJo in multi way pots. sometimes raising the kjo, depends.
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Yes, raising is suicide, its like JJ+ to raise from SB and even then it's marginal if you think you're going to get 2 callers.

Dvaid, you call or fold here?
It is never marginal to raise JJ+ in this situation
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do you from the bb with the same hands and 3-4 callers, call a min raise?
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do you from the bb with the same hands and 3-4 callers, call a min raise?
Definitely with 45s, KJo it depends on the players at the table. I probably call just because I hate min raises, especially on my BB!

KJo is probably a fold though.
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How much different would the advise be if this was NL200 or more? Anytime I try to offer my two cents I'm always told..."yea, but that doesnt apply to donk fest micros". So my question is, do you play more ABC poker in micros, or try to get tricky/mix it up? For my game I would either fold or place a pot size bets with 3 limpers, depending on the dynamics at the table.
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How much different would the advise be if this was NL200 or more? Anytime I try to offer my two cents I'm always told..."yea, but that doesnt apply to donk fest micros". So my question is, do you play more ABC poker in micros, or try to get tricky/mix it up? For my game I would either fold or place a pot size bets with 3 limpers, depending on the dynamics at the table.

From what i've been told when I ask people about ABC playing higher up they say that ABC is profitable but too predictable and playing some situations other then ABC becomes more profitable because usually your opponents know ABC very well.

Bolded part: Are you doing this with any hands you complete SB with?
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I think the really important odds to look at would be the chances of flopping OSED or a flush draw.

But I am a total donk fromt he SB and spew way to much so don't take anything i say in regard
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