Ok.. lets play guess whos got what again. SB is a LAA, but not maniacal, BB is a LPP Calling station Fish (65% VPIP 60% WSD) So I really didnt know where I stood....


PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) , , (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13 BB) (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Qd 5s (two pair, kings and queens).
BB has 8s Qs (flush, king high).
Hero has Ts 9s (flush, king high).
Outcome: BB wins 19 BB.

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Ugh. I put the SB on a weak 2 pair that turned into a boat on the river. The SB sure was playing maniacal.

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"Ok, this is for the game. How you doin' over there? NOT TOO GOOD!"" -Bubble Boy

Yeah, with the SB playing just about anything fast, and the BB calling down with anything, I figured the River Raise to be +EV.

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What strange river action....

Why raise the river and not cap the turn?

So the SB bet the flop on a pure steal, trying to represent a flush, everyone calls, so he bets the turn trying to represent it again. Pretty marginal play against 4 others but you gotta give it up sometime when everyone keeps calling and then raising! That was just bad play all the way through by the SB.

Why didn't you raise the flop, Marm, to protect your small flush and figure out where you were at better? That's definitely what I would have done, thoughts?

Yeah growlers.. not sure where my flush stood, his reraise on the turn intriged me though...

I think i didnt cap the turn is out of pure confusion... But I still felt (and still do) that the river raise was +EV.

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If the river raise with +EV so was capping the turn! Plus you protect yourself from the naked

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“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann

Yup

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I agree that it was +EV in this case, but mostly because the SB played like an idiot from start to finish. So it is +EV becuase he will be an idiot more times than he will have a boat or a higher flush. Against a better player or in middle limit hold'em, I would have just called the river when the 2nd king hit.

I think the better way to play this was to raise the flop, raise the turn and then call on the river when the paired board hit. As soon as you flop the medium flush, I think you press press press it until either the board pairs or a spade hits, then you call. You have to go to showdown no matter what in a typical LLHE game though with this hand. People call with all sorts of crap in LLHE so you just don't know. Just get your money in earlier!

JKust to show why i think that River bet was +EV (and why I should have capped the turn) heres hwo SOFT these games are....

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , . UTG posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG (poster) raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, BB caps, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (20.80 SB) , , (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.90 BB) (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (16.90 BB) (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 18.90 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qh Qs (one pair, queens).
MP2 has 8s Td (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.90 BB.

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