JJ hand in a Sit-n-go, help!!

**growlers** · 03-29-2005

I just don't know what to do with JJ preflop. Hand below, I will post results later. This is my first hand posting so if I screwed up the hand converter I apologize in advance and I'll post the hand history in the next post.

This was a $15 NL sit-n-go on stars, 5 people left, top 4 pays. Table pretty tight since next one out doesn't get any $$.

I'll take any and all advce, I play mostly limit which I am pretty good at, I don't have as good a handle on NL. Thanks!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (5 handed) converter

SB (t3085)
BB (t10090)
Hero (t6885)
MP (t3355)
Button (t3585)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

,

.
Hero raises to t3000, 3 folds, BB calls t2400.

Flop: (t5600)

,

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t3835 (All-In), BB calls t3835.

Turn: (t13270)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t13270)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t13270

**Announced Tilt** · 03-29-2005

I'd raise it to 1800 pre-flop, and I would call all-in if he raises it PF.

Flop: I'm checking behind here. If he bets big on a draw-rich board, you an always lay it down, since you raised 3X BB instead of 5X. The check from him could be a trap. Although, this does look like he had 77. However, he might push that pre-flop. I'm not sure how good/bad this player is, so he could have anything from 99 to 77 to A6.

Why is it that these type of hands always happen on the bubble?

**Shade** · 03-29-2005

I agree the preflop bet could have been a tad smaller -- at this stage you can almost play the other players' stacks when making your opening raise. Here anything in the 1,600-2,000 raise either seals out or commits the three smaller stacks...

...unfortunately its the one big stack at the table that calls you. Ugh. Now you're really out on an island when he checks. Holding an overpair to a possible flush draw, possible straight draw and with trips or a full house already possible. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

I *might* check along behind here after the flop and get one more card down on the board...there's enough scary cards still in the deck that taking a card off and seeing if one surfaces on the turn might not be so bad here...but this also kills any initiative you've established on the hand and with jacks being as vulnerable as they are to overcards...I probably make the same move you do and try to win the pot with the all-in push. AA, KK, QQ, 77 and 66 are the only realistic hands that have you beat at this stage...if he called with A-6 or something, c'est la vie.

Just a really ugly position to find yourself in vs. the only player at the table that can take you out.

**bonchkid** · 03-29-2005

Raise to 2k preflop, its a bit less committing

**Beavis68** · 03-29-2005

Or just push.

**Beavis68** · 03-29-2005

Originally Posted by Shade

I *might* check along behind here after the flop and get one more card down on the board...there's enough scary cards still in the deck that taking a card off and seeing if one surfaces on the turn might not be so bad here....

That would be terrible.

What do you do in a card 3-T comes off? a non-heart 2 is the only "safe" card. You are just as dead to A6 or 77 on the turn as you are on the flop.

Don't compound your error by giving a free card.

**bonchkid** · 03-29-2005

I dont get how a non heart T-3 isn't safe

You cant give him credit for every straight draw that could possibliy be on the board in a raised pot.

**the alex** · 03-29-2005

No need to put open for more than 1,800 PF. Personally, I'd raise it to 1,500 and bet 2,500 on the flop or move in on that flop.

**growlers** · 03-29-2005

Originally Posted by Announced Tilt

I'd raise it to 1800 pre-flop, and I would call all-in if he raises it PF.

Can somebody explain to me the difference between betting 3K and calling an all in, and betting 1800 and calling an all-in? If I am committed either way to be all-in if the big stack raises, then does it matter? I am certainly not trying to criticize AT's post, I just don't get it. Hence, my difficulty with no-limit.

I was trying to either (hopefully) just take it all down preflop and get the blinds or be reasonably happy if one person calls me all-in and take my chances. I figured if one of the small stacks calls and I lose, I still got about half my chips left. I didn't like that the big stack was in the big blind so I made a bigger bet to try to get him to lay down. If he wasn;t in the big blind I would have done 3xbb (1800). It NEVER occurred to me he would just call. I figured he would fold or go all-in. When he called and the flop came, I had no idea what to do, so I kinda figured that no overcards was about as good as I could hope for. I definitely didn't want to just give a free card. i.e. if I just checked behind I figured I would be forced to check/fold unless a jack fell so I would pretty much be giving up.

I am not neccessarily trying to defend my actions (because I hate when people do that), but I felt compelled to state my thought process since I am not sure where in my thinking I was incorrect, so I can get more out of this.
I'll post results after a few more posts. Thanks for the replys!

**NoManner** · 03-29-2005

betting 1800 and going all in makes it so he no longer has odds to draw on the flop if he hits a draw. You'd be betting 5k into a 3600 pot instead of betting 3k into a 6kpot. Way more intimidating. Plus, in your case, the CL is getting 3k for a 12k pot, plus a chance to knock someone out and advance in the money. They are WAY more likely to call when you basically hand them odds on a silver platter.

Personally, I would min raise here (of course it depends on the table). If the short stacks have tightened up as most normally do, a 1200 bet has the same effect as a 3k bet for them. For the big stack, it's better to have more ammo to fire with post flop to limit his odds

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