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About LinkBacksrecently i have been wondering how best to maximise AA and KK at the games i play (0.05/0.10 NLHE), here is an example of a KK hand from tonight.
i have been experimenting with the correct preflop raise ammount, i find that it varies from table to table but i try to bet the largest ammount that will get one caller. i have experimented with all ins but am not sure if you get called enough for it to be the most profitable strategy.
i am playing in a full ring of 9 and pick up
UTG calls, i am next to act and raise to 1$ and get 3 callers behind me, the BB also calls.
i now feel that i should have made a larger raise, and wonder if i should have gone all in? i do not like to raise too much as there is not even any money in the pot to win if all fold.
Flop =
BB bets $2 (has $4 left) i have $14 the 3 yet to act all have around $8-12.
i decide that a call would be a mistake and decide to push, to force out draws and to isolate against BB. also thinking i may win the pot here.
it folds around to BB who calls.
looking back i feel that a larger raise preflop would have made the hand easier to play, also i wonder if the all in on the flop was a little over the top?
any opinions on what is the best long term +EV strategy for AA/KK in theese games?
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03-23-2005 #1River Rat
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03-23-2005 #2River Rat
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You never really know how much are going to call. 10x BB is usually enough if not too much, back when i played .5/.10 NLHE i always get mad when i raised 3x BB and people would fold. I think it really depends on the table of how much to raise, if the people are maniacs raise more, and if the it seems the people know what they're doing and are playing tighter i'd raise less. About the flop call i'd probably think he has JJ or something, and fold unless you have him labeled as a complete moron.
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03-23-2005 #3Poker Professional
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AA/KK
at .05/0.1 AA is usually all-in with 9 ppl. For everytime you only win the blinds there will be another where someone can't put down a pp or AK.
Frankly, I do the same with KK.
At higher limits you have to bet to entice a pp to call yet deny him a trip defeat premium (i.e you need to bet at least 1/6 of your stack - the more the better).
With any hand you'll only make money if someone else has strength.Few would put down AK,QQ or JJ at .05/0.1 on the other hand many would fold to a 2bb bet with 69 os.
Incidently you want as many callers as possible. Although you stand a bigger chance of losing, this is more than offset by the size of a multiway pot...See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money
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03-23-2005 #4change my title babo
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Raise as much as you think these 3 people will call. 10BB getting called preflop is GREAT to see.
Flop looks ok, $5 in the pot to you, raising to 14 gives them 1.5:1 to call with zero implied odds.“There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about.” - John von Neumann
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03-23-2005 #5change my title babo
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Originally Posted by ZooM
You're putting him on one of 3 hands(realisitic) hands that can beat you?
Not:
AKd
AQd
AJ
KJ
QQ
TT
99(?)
Or anything.. these limits are a joke.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
106,162,848 games 0.125 secs 849,302,784 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
Hand 1: 79.0171 % [ 00.79 00.00 ] { KsKc }
Hand 2: 20.9829 % [ 00.21 00.00 ] { QQ-88, 66, AJs, KJs, AJo, KJo }
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106,162,848 games 0.125 secs 849,302,784 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)
Hand 1: 79.0171 % [ 00.79 00.00 ] { KsKc }
Hand 2: 20.9829 % [ 00.21 00.00 ] { QQ-88, 66, AJs, KJs, AJo, KJo }Last edited by bonchkid; 03-23-2005 at 05:14 PM.
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03-23-2005 #6River Rat
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yes
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If its an aggressive game, limp reraise works wonders. If its a weak tight game, betting normal is best. If its a passive game like yours seems, value betting like what you did is best.
This flop is pretty bad though. If your not beat now, somebody has a big draw. Not saying I'd fold here, but I wouldn't except to win very often.
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re reads, i had not been at the table that long but he (flop raiser) seemed to me to be a loosish player who would bet at the pot with top pair, with or without a decent kicker.
i did not think this kind of player would bet with a flush draw after i have shown strength pre flop.
i decided top pair was most likely, but i was worried about trips when i bet all in.
(he did have JJ)
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03-24-2005 #10change my title babo
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You're playing results. He's making that bet with so many more hands. Cory = Nemo
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