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    Default Definitive proof of why the minraise is bad

    For all that like to minraise. What does this raise achieve exactly?

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    saw flop|saw showdown

    Hero ($50.75)
    UTG ($82.65)
    MP ($153.30)
    Button ($79.75)
    SB ($33.75)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
    2 folds, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($1.25) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

    Turn: ($3.75) (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.5, Button raises to $5, Hero calls $2.50.

    River: ($13.75) (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    Final Pot: $13.75

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ts Qc (one pair, tens).
    Button has Kh 7c (one pair, sevens).
    Outcome: Hero wins $13.75.
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    green donkey spot hovering over u for posting in wrong forum?

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    Why's it the wrong forum?

    It's not really hand analysis, it's discussion of a concept. donk.
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    Do you fold if he makes it $7-8?
    More of a concept of not calling the flop with 2nd pair and raising a non scary turn when the guy fires again and you have a likely 5 outs max if behind imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    For all that like to minraise. What does this raise achieve exactly?
    Would you have checked the river if he hadn't raised? If you'd have bet the river, would you have bet more than $2.50?
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    I'd fold if he made it $9. If he makes it $7 I'm probably calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triple-t View Post
    Would you have checked the river if he hadn't raised? If you'd have bet the river, would you have bet more than $2.50?
    If he calls, I'm checking most rivers anyway. I'm no more likely to check after he minraises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
    If he calls, I'm checking most rivers anyway. I'm no more likely to check after he minraises.
    You may not be, but don't you believe some less accomplished players would be? Could it be possible that he did it as an early block-bet? (Keep in mind I'm not defending his play, just trying to rationalize why they think minraising is good.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by triple-t View Post
    You may not be, but don't you believe some less accomplished players would be? Could it be possible that he did it as an early block-bet? (Keep in mind I'm not defending his play, just trying to rationalize why they think minraising is good.)
    Even if that was his thinking, it's still not good. He's giving great odds for a draw, and that board is fairly drawy.

    He's also opening up the betting again and if he does have a marginal hand which he wants to showdown cheap, he's risking me coming back over the top of him. This is not good as he turns a hand with showdown value pretty much into a bluff.

    Add to the fact he has no fold equity whatsoever, it's not a great move. If he raises to $9 he makes me fold a fair range and most probably gets a free showdown. If he smells serious weakness or a scare river card comes, he is also then in a decent spot to follow through on a bluff and take it away. After a minraise this is harder to do as the pot isn't getting that big.
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    free showdown raise, duh

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