I saw this situation come up the other day while watching the sunday million on stars and it has come up with myself were i busted myself outta of tourny's because i tried the same thing..
Situation: Say its late in the tourny and you have about an average to below average stack, but more then 10x the BB and the blinds are really starting to get up there. On this hand you pick up AQ in lp and raised for 3 times the BB, everyone folds to the BB who flat calls.. The flop comes a harmless 8 5 5 rainbow and the BB checks to you. Now this is where my delima comes in.. The size of the pot now with ante's and pf raises is so big that if you are to make any reasonable sized continuation bet these are the situations you would encounter 1. you go all in because the pots so big if you make any smaller sized coninuation bet and get reraised your pot comitted anyways 2. you make a smallish raise thats just big enough to pot committ yourself if you get called or reraised and 3. you make a really weak bet that sets you up for a resteal and leaves you crippled if you oppenent decides to play back at you and you have to fold.
So with all this said and having only one pf betting action for information. do you risk your tournament there by pushing or do you check and leave yourself open for a steal bet on the turn from the BB?
And what do you do when A. the BB is a big stack B. the BB stack equals yours and C. the BB is short stack?

I'll post my thoughts about this later in the tread.. i just want a logical solution to this problem the makes sense

oh ya also the harmless texture of the flop also tends to make any flop all in bet look really suspicious leaving yourself open to maybe get called by ace high by more ballsy player..

if its open and unraised and i need chips

i shove

even if you have 15 -20 BB's your M could still be as low as 7 or 8, then you are looking for a spot to push PF

Originally Posted by obga

if its open and unraised and i need chips

i shove

Think about the range of hands you might get called with that will beat you and you might get called with 88 to AA, A8 AK, as apposed to the hands this player would call you with on the BB that will fold to a push on the flop such as A10 of KQ.

Originally Posted by sk8freak_21

even if you have 15 -20 BB's your M could still be as low as 7 or 8, then you are looking for a spot to push PF

Your saying to avoid these situations its better just to push pf..with 15 to 20BB.. even though you may lose value from hands such as kq or qj that would potentially call your pf raise of 3x but not an all in raise..I like this suggestion though i think it makes more sense then pushing on the flop. It kinda eliminates this situation from happening and give you a chance to grind away untill you have enough chips to play properly on the flop without risking your tounry..

Originally Posted by dopemope223

Think about the range of hands you might get called with that will beat you and you might get called with 88 to AA, A8 AK, as apposed to the hands this player would call you with on the BB that will fold to a push on the flop such as A10 of KQ.

amir vahidi said it best

" In order to live you must be willing to die"

again

shove preflop

HOH 2 FTW

sweet i learned sumthing and it makes sense. This will help my end game for sure..