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    Default Interesting NL hand

    I don't play NL cash games often, but I like to watch them while I'm getting ready for bed or doing laundry or whatever.

    I saw this hand the other day and was wondering if this was a good all-in play or not. I feel like player A should not have pushed all-in. Help me learn!

    I forget the exact suits of the cards, but this is how it went down.

    Party $1000 buy-in NL game.

    (I was watching for a little while, and player B had over $7,000 in front of him. He was just on a roll and getting all the cards.)

    A = MP
    B = Button

    Folds to player A who make a $30 opening bet.
    Player B smooth calls.
    All others fold.

    Flop = 9 9 10 (I'm pretty sure a 9 & 10 were of the same suit)

    Player A pushes all in for around $1600
    Player B sits and thinks for 5 seconds, then calls the $1600

    Turn = K
    River = A

    Player A = QQ in the hole (2 pair Qs & 9s)
    Player B = 1010 in the hole (Flopped a boat)

    Was the all in by player A on the flop the right move?
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    he didn't want tyo get moved off the hand by player b bluffing all in, and was trying to protect his hand.

    QQ with a flop of T99 is a hard hand not to go bust on, I would have bet the pot though, there is no money in it why risk it all with that flop and from what you say a loose player.

    bet the pot, player b smooth calls again, and see the turn, if it's another dud throw out another 1/2 pot-pot sized bet and see what he does.

    with 1600 and 5/10 blinds you need to play more like it's pot limit than no limit, in my opinion.
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    Player B sits and thinks for 5 seconds, then calls the $1600
    this is the most confusing thing to me???? what on earth is he thinking about? how he's gonna spend the money?
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    I know, the delay was really weird. Before I saw his cards I put him on a flush draw and figured that he was just trying to think about the odds before calling the all in.

    I couldn't tell if it was a slow roll or if he was trying to figure out if player A had wired 9's!
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    Admittedly, the dollar value being played here is out of my atmosphere, but I agree with Steve that I don't see what a $1600 all-in bet accomplishes that smaller bets wouldn't also do, aside from breaking your bankroll.

    Putting myself in A's shoes here (which is about all he left the table with after this hand apparently...), I'm going to guess the mindset is that he wants to protect himself from seeing an A or K on the turn or river, figuring B for one, if not both, of those cards based on B's call. Something around a pot-sized bet here works just as well. Obviously its going to be a hard hand to get away from at any point in the proceedings (although the turn and river coming A-K here makes it much EASIER to get away from than if they'd come, say, 3-4). I don't think it has to be a $1,600 loser though.
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    I agree with shade this shouldn't be a $1600 loser.

    Put me in this situation and I lose $2-$300, which i could live with
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    so there was only what 60-70 in the pot, and this dude moves in for 1600?

    The only thing I can think is he was hoping the guy would call him with a crap hand.

    I would want to milk a little more off of them. Probably a half pot bet on that flop.


    That is the equivilant of a 70c pot in 10NL. UGH.

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    Alright, so I wasn't wrong to think that the all-in was a little much. I would have bet the pot or a little more in that situation.

    Funny thing is the loser bought back in for $1000 instantly. I think he even managed to rebuy before the next hand was dealt.

    The winner who then had well over $8000 in front of him was limping in on almost every hand after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kliph
    Alright, so I wasn't wrong to think that the all-in was a little much. I would have bet the pot or a little more in that situation.

    Funny thing is the loser bought back in for $1000 instantly. I think he even managed to rebuy before the next hand was dealt.

    The winner who then had well over $8000 in front of him was limping in on almost every hand after that.
    I don't really even see a reason to bet the full pot, You are either way ahead or way behind on this flop. AK only has 6 outs to beat you. QJ? Well a K is already a bad card for you. That pot is stilll pretty small, why not try to build it a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    I don't really even see a reason to bet the full pot, You are either way ahead or way behind on this flop. AK only has 6 outs to beat you. QJ? Well a K is already a bad card for you. That pot is stilll pretty small, why not try to build it a bit?
    Hmm, this is why I don't play NL very often. I'll just keep watching.

    There doesn't appear to be too many Limit ring game players here, huh? Most of the posters seems to be into NL, mainly tournaments.
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