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    Default PT 10,000 hand check-up, big suited ace less profitable?

    Most of the anomalies I noted at the 2000 hand check-up are gone, but I do have 1 surprising trend. I win much less with suited versions of AJ-AK... Is this normal or am I chasing too many flushes? Suited versions of KQ-KJ and QJ are ~75% more profitable than the offsuit variants (bb/100 method)...

    These hands are 95% tournament, by the way. I do bet/bluff aggressively with two overs and a nut-flush draw -- but I always assumed this was +EV. These stats give me pause..


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    play way more hands.

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    heh, trying, but ive been playing live for the last 2 weeks. Sure wish PT could sit behind me at those tables...

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    Do you mean that you have won less with the suited hands or that they have a lower bb/100?

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    I wouldn't put too much stock in tournament hand statistics. "Normal" stats will be different depending on stack sizes, blinds and antes, type of tournament, etc. That's why we are folding J9s in MP early in the tournament when it is folded to us, but when we have an M of 4, we push.
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    I used to think that 10k hands was a lot.

    Not so much. Keep playing playing playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porg View Post
    Do you mean that you have won less with the suited hands or that they have a lower bb/100?

    both. Obviously the T$ amount is going to be lower since you have fewer suited hands than unsuited...


    As for 10K hands, I know its not a lot of hands, but I'd like to check on trends every so often and it seemed like a nice round #

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    I'm approaching 3.5k hands for the day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by feint06 View Post
    As for 10K hands, I know its not a lot of hands, but I'd like to check on trends every so often and it seemed like a nice round #
    You need way more hands to get an idea of what's going on. You've probably been dealt these hands like 50 times each or something, there's no way you can pick up a trend based on the bb/100 just yet.

    Have a look at individual situations and review how you played the hand, that'll help tell you if you are misplaying certain holdings.
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    My AKs was winning at a lower rate than AKo over my last 60k hands.
    I checked through the hands and saw I got sucked out on twice in all in pots over this period and played one hand badly and got stacked whilst tilting. Those 3 hands were enough to make a huge, huge difference to my bb/100.

    I think you probably need a million hands to get a realistic expectation of specific suited hands.
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