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About LinkBacksWhat's everyones thoughts on this line that seems to be a leak, well at least it feels like one. I play textbook TAG - 22/18/4.5.
-Standard 4xBB PF raise, one or two callers to the flop.
-Dry board, fairly standard c-bet, usually 4/5 of the pot, 1 caller.
-Blank turn, although my air is unimproved, I check they check behind.
-Blank river - check, villian bets something gay like 1/4 pot and I'm stuck with middle pair or ace high.
It seems to come down to villian saying 'I have nothing but neither do you', but I don't feel I'll win a showdown 1/4 times that I need to to break even.
I've been taking the line of firing the second barrel at broadway cards on the turn even if I miss, Harrington's "back alley mugging" and that seems pretty successful.
It seems like a lose/lose situation. Most people thankfully at this level don't have a fold button but that makes it difficult to take these pots uncontested with complete air, but it feels like a spew to let them win showdowns with a raggy bit of the board/low pockets on a scary board that I miss.
Should I just be content with them winning these small pots and let them pay me once I do have a hand?
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08-02-2007 #1Stu Ungar
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Common line
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08-03-2007 #2Mike McDermott
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this is why you need to take it to the next level and start firing turns and rivers.
It is almost mandetory on dry boards.
like 273J should be a mandatory turn bet.
when you check the turn, you really put yourself in a bad spot. It opens up alot of options to ppl.
Donkies really like to make those gay river bets.
They usually mix them up w/ eak hands (like bottom pair) and it becomes very difficult distinguishing if your A high is good.
Avoid this OOP. They will take alot of post form you on river.
In position you can afford to not bet, b/c they will check to you much more often and you can either bluff, or check behind.
Mainly start friing more when you feel they are as weak as you.I get more ass than a toilet seat. All shapes/colors/sizes.
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08-03-2007 #3Poker Hustler
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Originally Posted by piv
I did not read his book.
What does this line mean ? Betting the turn, regardless ?
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08-03-2007 #4Mike McDermott
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yeah pretty much he is representing that the JQ or A or whatever helped him.... I think.
I read the back alley mug section a month ago and already forgot what it was.I get more ass than a toilet seat. All shapes/colors/sizes.
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08-03-2007 #5Stu Ungar
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Thats the one.. at the risk that they floated me with overcards and it helped them. Originally Posted by gder03
Do I shutdown when my second barrel is cold called and river is also unhelpful? Or stick in a blocking bet hoping they wont raise river if my hand has some sort of SD value?
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08-03-2007 #6Mike McDermott
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this is a really tough call. I dont have an answer. Originally Posted by piv
You need to put so much into the trun play:
villains tendencies
his timimng tells
his image
your image
his image of you
the way the river card has affected the texture
etc....
yesterday I tried representing on OP vs an unknown.
I have KQ in the SB and its like 5 way limped to me, I raise it to like 7bb.
Flop is 3 way, and board is 823, I lead pot.
I call.
River is like a 7 I bet pot.
Called.
River is a 2 or some useless card, and I stick in a 100bb bet.
The bitch uses up her 30 second time bank, and eventually calls with 8T. (top pair)
While my read was correct (her hand was kind of weak to call a 100bb bet) I clearly overestimated her skill, and that cost me a buy in.
So you really need to think it though. Overall I'd say take it easy get used to 2 barelling, and then move on to 3 barelling. Also, low stakes you shoulud not be 3 barelling too much.I get more ass than a toilet seat. All shapes/colors/sizes.
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08-03-2007 #7Stu Ungar
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Thanks heaps gder... appreciate consice personal replies.
4-tabling at the moment and some station is SNAP calling my cbets as sure as sunrise and folds the turn just as quickly to the 2nd barrel unimproved. As I finish writing this sentence he folded to a 3rd barrel on the river... pity I had a set on a dry board.
2nd barrel seems to be the thing I need to master at this level before 25nl. No way in fuck am I firing a 3rd yet, like you said people just won't let go of small holdings. Most be aren't even fully stacked so are nearly getting the odds to call any river bet.
Running at 10BB/100 over 2k hands at this level.. must be doing something right so far.
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