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Old 07-24-2007, 05:00 AM
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Default Help me analyze bad beat

Hi, just started playing microstake no-limit online for a week now, recently broke even until I had a couple of bad beats. Play mostly on 6 seat tables as I’m use to playing shorthanded offline and it seems to suit me better.

Playing at a loose agressive table, I played tightly but aggressively which made people respect when I did decide to play a hand. This was cemented when I had a spate of good luck and got two good hands consecutively and won both pots after being called down the second time. After I loosened my game.

Seating Arrangement:

anasantiago is at seat 1 with $0.35.
sodade is at seat 2 with $0.95.
liloustrass is at seat 3 with $4.03.
nazedo is at seat 4 with $2.40.
Bowzer is at seat 5 with $4.56.
jsalb is at seat 6 with $1.18.

Post Blinds:

The button is at seat 2.
liloustrass posts the small blind of $0.01.
nazedo posts the big blind of $0.02.

Deal Pocket Cards:

anasantiago: -- --
sodade: -- --
liloustrass: -- --
nazedo: -- --
Bowzer: Qc Kh
jsalb: -- --

Pre-flop:
Bowzer calls $0.02.
jsalb calls $0.02.
anasantiago raises $0.08.
sodade calls $0.08.
liloustrass calls $0.07.
nazedo folds.
Bowzer calls $0.06.
jsalb calls $0.06.

Flop (Ac 5c 2c):
liloustrass checks.
Bowzer raises $0.22.
jsalb calls $0.22.
anasantiago raises $0.27.
sodade folds.
liloustrass calls $0.27.
Bowzer calls $0.05.
jsalb calls $0.05.

The Ace scared me, but I was on a flush draw of which the ace was already down and I had the queen of clubs. anasantiago reraise was weak due to lack of chips otherwise I would have folded.

Turn (Ac 5c 2c 8s):
liloustrass checks.
Bowzer checks.
jsalb checks.

I don't put anyone holding an ace as I thought they would have raised, or maybe they were wary of the flush draw. I was thinking maybe someone was holding a pair of queens or jacks due to the raising preflop. QJ didn't bother me as I had the Qc. I didn't consider somebody having a QK like me.

River (Ac 5c 2c 8s 7c):
liloustrass raises $0.39.
Bowzerraises $3.29.
jsalb calls $0.83.
liloustrass calls $2.90.

Bearing in mind I hadn't considered someone holding QK, I had an adrenalin spike and decided to go all in. Undisciplined on my part. I pegged liloustrass as a solid but tight player. I have seen him play junk hands though but usually in small pots. Should have called or even folded here.

Showdown:
Bowzer shows Qc Kh.
Bowzer has 2c 5c 7c Qc Ac: Flush
jsalb mucks .
anasantiago mucks .
liloustrass shows Qs Kc.
liloustrass has 2c 5c 7c Kc Ac: Flush

How is my analysis?

I'm interested in what people think anasantiago was holding. I put him on a pair of jacks possibly with a flush draw, hence the raise preflop and big raise on the flop (either hoping to get the pot there and then - if not he is on a flush draw). Or maybe he had a marginal hand and went all in because he was short staked.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:46 AM
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Starting off, you never ever ever want to be limping utg in 6max. At NL2 raise it up to 10c pre flop to begin with so you can narrow ranges down slightly and isolate.

On this flop in this position with ideally only one caller behind me I'll c-bet at it. If this flop scares me chances are it scares my opponent. If i'm faced with action I'll dump it. Betting at this flop without being the pre flop raiser is a very bad idea, especially with 4 people to act behind you. Generally people like to play any broadway and suited junk at this level so it's very likely the Kc is out there, so you're effectively drawing dead on the flop.

Check/fold this flop.

Try watching some free videos on 2+2 forums, or even some videos on here regardless of the stakes, just to get the general idea of position and aggression. Don't try to get too tricky with reads at this level since you'll see 59o as often as you'll see the flush.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:34 AM
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Agree with piv. Raise PF. At 6-max, open-limping is asking for trouble.

On the flop, I'm check-calling unless it's a big bet. There's 5 people seeing a suited flop with an ace. This hand is more than likely going to showdown.

Turn check is fine.

River push is fine.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:12 AM
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Part of the reason why I called with the hand was that I wanted to build a big pot and vary how I play due to people folding when I show strength preflop. But I accept that this was not the correct course to take when I am utg and with QKo. If I remember my theory correctly hands such as QKo are more profitable when facing fewer opponents.

In this position is check-raising an alternative worth considering?

If my hand was QK suited could I call with it to trap more people in the pot due to having drawing hand as well as high card strength?

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Old 07-24-2007, 08:31 AM
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At micro-levels, raise when you should raise. Trying to set a trap is not a good idea, especially OOP. It's best to play straight-forward in the micros as a lot of the players will call anyway.
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Old 07-26-2007, 03:04 AM
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Advice taken, no fancy plays. Nearly tripled my stack within half an hour in a 6 handed NL 2c/4c (2$ buyin) game. If I’ve invested pf I’m now folding hands on the flop if I miss. I went all in a couple of times pf with big pairs QQ and above . Someone actually called me and I won a big pot. Same if I think I have the best hand post flop, and won big. Took out three people in 30min. I found people were often calling me with poor hands. Variance I’m sure will be an issue.

papillonB is at seat 0 with $2.06.
galgus is at seat 1 with $6.18.
coufreur is at seat 3 with $.19.
DaytraderCGN is at seat 4 with $1.93.
Bowzer is at seat 5 with $3.55.

galgus posts a blind of $.01.
coufreur posts a blind of $.02.

(Bowzer is dealt 9c Ks.)

Pre-flop:
DaytraderCGN calls for $.02.
Bowzer calls for $.02.
papillonB calls for $.02.
galgus calls for $.01.
coufreur checks.

The flop comes
9h 9d Qs.

galgus checks.
coufreur checks.
DaytraderCGN checks.
Bowzer checks.
papillonB bets $.02.
galgus folds.
coufreur calls for $.02.
DaytraderCGN folds.
Bowzer raises $1.08.
papillonB calls for $1.08.
coufreur folds.

Didn't go all in here...I was worried about A9/Q9, if I got re-raised should I consider folding? I also thought people may doubt my hand due to past behaviour going all in on other hands.

The turn comes 3s.

Bowzer bets $.97.
papillonB goes all-in for $.94.
$.03 is pushed back to Bowzer.

Showdown:

Bowzer shows
9c Ks
9h 9d 9c Ks Qs
Three Nines

papillonB shows
9s 6s
9h 9d 9s Qs 6s
Three Nines

The river comes Jd.
Bowzer wins pot ($3.99)

I got a 'Well played' from papillonB, did I play the hand correctly?

On a side note, where can I get a hand converter?

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