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    Default TT hand

    Ok, in honor of Alex, I won't post the results for a while.


    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to beavis68 [ ]
    3 limpers to me on the button, I raise.
    SB folds BB and limpers call.

    5.5BB in the pot.

    *** FLOP *** [7c 3s 5d]
    First to act bets, next player raises, two calls to you. 9BB in the pot to you.

    What do you do? If you call or raise, what are you hoping for on the turn?

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    I say raise, to get people to further define their hands. As of now I'd probably rule out someone playing a 6-4 for a raise, therefore you probably have the best hand. More likely people are going to have A2, A4, 67, 78, 89, 33, 55, 77, 88, 99, or two overcards. The bettor probably has something top pair with a decent kicker or top/middle pair with a inside straight draw, it is also possible that someone flopped a set, but that's why I think you should raise, if they raise back then they might have something and proceed with caution, but if the turn and river are blanks and you get re-raised all of a sudden you have a good idea what's up.

    As for what I want to fall...I'd be pretty happy with a 10, 3, or 9. I'd be less happy about an overcard, but its possible that people are chasing a straight, so that might not be too terrible, obviously a 2, 4, 6, or 8 are much trouble as is a 7 (someone betting top pair), a 5 would be inbetween as it's not very likely that someone is playing middle pair, unless its a connector like 45 or 56.

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    I'm confused. SB and BB is 1.5 BB's and assuming you raised 1 BB with 3 limpers calling and yourself thats another 8 BB's there. I'm guessing this is limit and therefore I realyl don't care but seems like an important inaccuracy.

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    Well, since I like to fold instead of draw in these situations, and knowing my history of how my wired 10's pan out, I'd fold.

    I'm assuming you were up against a set or a made straight no matter how silly it may seem that someone was playing 64.
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    That's why I think you need to raise, cause if they do have a hand (especially a set, which is very vulnerable in this situation) their going to play back at you further trying to drive the fish out. And if you raise now, its cheap, rather than the more expensive turn and river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsMrHankey2u
    I'm confused. SB and BB is 1.5 BB's and assuming you raised 1 BB with 3 limpers calling and yourself thats another 8 BB's there. I'm guessing this is limit and therefore I realyl don't care but seems like an important inaccuracy.
    3 limpers, plus the the BB, +me that is 5, guess it is really 5.25 since the SB is 1/4BB.

    I am going to put the results in white:

    I didn't feel I could rule out the SB have 64, or even UTG limping with 64s, I raised after all the limpes, so they could have almost anything. I have a bad feeling I was up against at LEAST two pair and could be drawing only to a runner-runner boat, altought was was almost getting the odds to draw to two pair, I folded.

    UTG won the pot with 75o.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puddlejumper
    That's why I think you need to raise, cause if they do have a hand (especially a set, which is very vulnerable in this situation) their going to play back at you further trying to drive the fish out. And if you raise now, its cheap, rather than the more expensive turn and river.

    This is close to my typical play, especially with fewer people.

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    In your original post you said "to me on the button, I raise."

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    Actually I don'y like the preflop raise.

    with 3 limpers already you are basically playing for a set and having the BB and Sb in doesn't matter, take the 5 to 1 odds over the 7.5-10 to 2 odds.

    with 3 limpers there hands are not defines and raising is just going to get calls so there hands will still be undefined.

    in my opinion the worst case scenario for a medium pair is to be against 3 opponents. with your TT if you flop 1 or more overs you will likely have to fold and if you flop 3 unders there will be straights or straight draws + any possible flush draw to go along with a vulnerable overpair. with 3 opponents I'm just limping here.
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    Steve, we have discussed this, I respect your opinion for your games, but I am raising pre-flop. I am not afraid of folding after raising, and I am not afraid of playing post flop ( I know you aren't either). These guys will limp with all sorts of crap, so I am not folding to one over card.

    Can you give me your opinion about the flop play based on pot-size?
    Last edited by Beavis68; 03-10-2005 at 12:01 PM.

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