Opinions on how I should have handled this??

**BUKIFAN8** · 03-08-2005

PokerStars Game #1316145867: Tournament #5651084, Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2005/03/06 - 21:29:01 (ET)
Table '5651084 20' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: MUCCI416 (33691 in chips)
Seat 2: elistepp (15825 in chips)
Seat 3: pnlax39 (4959 in chips)
Seat 4: JOY13 (45324 in chips)
Seat 5: BUKIFAN8 (11192 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerpro031 (14864 in chips)
Seat 7: oakley1972 (12873 in chips)
Seat 8: Huss10 (10283 in chips)
Seat 9: voggy (31699 in chips)
MUCCI416: posts the ante 100
elistepp: posts the ante 100
pnlax39: posts the ante 100
JOY13: posts the ante 100
BUKIFAN8: posts the ante 100
pokerpro031: posts the ante 100
oakley1972: posts the ante 100
Huss10: posts the ante 100
voggy: posts the ante 100
pokerpro031: posts small blind 1000
oakley1972: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BUKIFAN8

Huss10: folds
voggy: raises 4000 to 6000
MUCCI416: folds
elistepp: folds
pnlax39: calls 4859 and is all-in
JOY13: raises 4000 to 10000
BUKIFAN8: raises 1092 to 11092 and is all-in
pokerpro031: folds
oakley1972: folds
voggy: calls 5092
JOY13: calls 1092
*** FLOP *** [5h 2s 6s]
voggy: checks
JOY13: bets 12000
voggy: raises 8507 to 20507 and is all-in
JOY13: calls 8507
*** TURN *** [5h 2s 6s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [5h 2s 6s 2c] [JavaScript]
MUCCI416 said, "damn i wish i won that"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
voggy: shows [Qh As] (a pair of Deuces)
JOY13: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
JOY13 collected 41014 from side pot-2
BUKIFAN8: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Deuces)
JOY13 collected 18699 from side pot-1
pnlax39: shows [8h 8c] (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
JOY13 collected 23336 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 83049 Main pot 23336. Side pot-1 18699. Side pot-2 41014. | Rake 0
Board [5h 2s 6s 2c JavaScript]
Seat 1: MUCCI416 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: elistepp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pnlax39 showed [8h 8c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Deuces
Seat 4: JOY13 showed [Ks Kc] and won (83049) with two pair, Kings and Deuces
Seat 5: BUKIFAN8 (button) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 6: pokerpro031 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: oakley1972 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Huss10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: voggy showed [Qh As] and lost with a pair of Deuces

I was already into the money of this wonderful $2 NL event when dealt this hand. Voggy was a fairly reasonable player, so I knew he had a decent hand going, but I figured when it came to me I would put him all in. Then pnlax with his super short stack went all in, I figured, ok..he may be desperate, he may have a great hand, but I can win much than I'd lose if I get Voggy all in (I expected a call from Voggy w/ my all in.)

THEN....JOY13 joins the fun. She had just won a HUGE hand to get to where she was, so I was thinking she just wanted in on the action. I thought about folding, but with increasing blinds, already being in the money, and my beginning to dwindle stack, I figured lets take a shot at some chips or head to bed.

Obviously in hindsight I should have folded, but had an A hit the pot would have been mine. What would the rest of you done here?

**puddlejumper** · 03-08-2005

I know its hard to lay down, but after a raise, an all-in, and another raise, I'm laying it down, because I'm beat, though I'm thinking heavily about it. Even though you are getting short stacked I think there are better spots to try and double up, rather than going for the knockout punch, but that's just me. I don't think it is that bad of a play, but I think you could have waited for the more opportune moment.

**Announced Tilt** · 03-08-2005

Yea, that is a definite fold. Raise, push, then re-raise=fold.

**Beavis68** · 03-08-2005

You were getting plenty of odds, and you had a great hand, I have folded AK in a SnG, but it would be much tougher here. Not sure it is a clear choice.

**Marm** · 03-08-2005

Originally Posted by Beavis68

You were getting plenty of odds, and you had a great hand, I have folded AK in a SnG, but it would be much tougher here. Not sure it is a clear choice.

Very Very true. But how good are the odds?? Lets assume that we can gurantee that at least one of them has AA or KK, and the action defiantly supports this. Plus maybe another AK on the prowl. How many outs does that leave us?? Not many, So maybe the odds really arent there.

I'd pitch this pretty quickly at this stage of the event. I would assume that the action has been pretty tight for a while, and this is a totla fluke. You gotta assume AK is a big dog here, and its trash.

**themcdietz(bob_ryan22)** · 03-08-2005

What do you think they got? AQ JJ and 1010?

thats one your BEST situations and you are still a pretty big underdog

You are either at best at 10% favorite or a HUGE DOG

**Beavis68** · 03-08-2005

if you are sure one had KK or AA you fold.

Although with four in the pot the odds are still tempting. And you can never be sure, the odds are pretty low for AA and KK.

**the alex** · 03-09-2005

If Joy doesn't re-raise, I say go all in with your 5BB's, but after that I have to say fold.

**Danger Mouse** · 03-09-2005

With an all-in raise, re-raise, and another all-in preflop, I would have folded. The power of AK suffers too much when there are that many people in the pot. You have to figure at least one person has a pocket pair, and maybe the other 2 may have an A or K with something else. If just either 1 A or K is in someone else's hand then you'd have at best 5 outs and your odds drop drastically, assuming the pocket pair wasn't a pocket pair of A or K. Folding preflop would have been the right play.

**Beavis68** · 03-09-2005

Originally Posted by themcdietz(bob_ryan22)

What do you think they got? AQ JJ and 1010?

thats one your BEST situations and you are still a pretty big underdog

You are either at best at 10% favorite or a HUGE DOG

The only way you are a huge dog is if one has AA.

Joy has such a big stack, he may call or raise with quite a range of hands.

The only thing I hate about these situations is tha you can be sure at least one Ac is out of the deck, so who ever has the pair gets a much stronger hand.

You were only a 4-1 dog, and this pot would have over tripled you up, I wouldn't beat myself up too much. If Joy would have had anything but KK or AA you would have been about 2:1.

Wait! Damn, you were already in the money, how long till the next bump in payout? If folding would have gotten you a better payout, that is a stronger case to fold, the money was probably still pretty flat though.

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