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Old 06-23-2007, 06:27 AM
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Default Am I Too aggressive in my play

I am so scared when someone shows a bit of strength against me. LIke when someone re raises me that if i automatically go all in whatever the pot is. NO VALUE BETTING HERE.

Is this the right move??
Ive been rivered so many times. I like to protect my hands.

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Game #4790631514: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/06/23 - 13:53:03 (UK)
Table "Guyfaux" Seat 6 is the button.
Hand History Converter from Poker-Theory.org

Seat 5: Grae19025 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: Touch ($11.05 in chips)
Touch: posts small blind $0.15
Grae19025: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Touch

Touch: raises to $0.50
Grae19025: calls $0.25

----- FLOP -----

sp1nnaker joins the table at seat #7
Grae19025: checks
Touch: checks

----- TURN -----

Grae19025: checks
Touch: bets $0.25
Grae19025: raises to $1
Touch: raises to $10.55 and is all-in
Grae19025: folds
Returned uncalled bets $9.55 to Touch
Touch: doesn't show hand
Touch collected $2.85 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $3 Main pot $2.85 Rake $0.15
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Old 06-23-2007, 06:39 AM
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haha, yes that reraise on the turn was way way out of line. but I would have bet the flop to protect your hand from the flush draw...
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Game #4790966794: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/06/23 - 14:11:03 (UK)
Table "Guyfaux" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Troozers ($31.66 in chips)
Seat 2: Csl888 ($11.83 in chips)
Seat 4: JohnSmash ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Grae19025 sits out
Seat 6: Touch ($9.78 in chips)
Seat 7: sp1nnaker ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: Patr28078 ($15.37 in chips)
Seat 9: poohand ($10 in chips)
Seat 10: And141059 ($24.75 in chips)
Touch: posts small blind $0.15
sp1nnaker: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Touch [Qd Qh]
Patr28078: raises to $0.75
And141059: folds
Troozers: calls $0.75
Csl888: calls $0.75
JohnSmash: folds
Touch: raises to $9.78 and is all-in
sp1nnaker: folds
Patr28078: folds
Spiff123 joins the table at seat #5
Troozers: calls $9.03
Csl888: folds
----- FLOP ----- [6c Tc 3c]
----- TURN ----- [6c Tc 3c][8c]
----- RIVER ----- [6c Tc 3c 8c][5s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Touch: shows [Qd Qh] (A Pair of Queens, Ten high)
Troozers: shows [9s 9h] (A Pair of Nines, Ten high)
Touch collected $20.25 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $21.31 Main pot $20.25 Rake $1.06
Board [6c Tc 3c 8c 5s]
Seat 1: Troozers showed [9s 9h] and lost with A Pair of Nines, Ten high
Seat 2: Csl888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JohnSmash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Touch (small blind) showed [Qd Qh] and won ($20.25) with A Pair of Queens, Ten high
Seat 7: sp1nnaker (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Patr28078 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: And141059 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 06-23-2007, 02:19 PM
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You always either:
a) Bet too little
b) Bet too much

Bet sizing is a real weakness of yours. A good starting point is to bet 3/4 pot on flop and 2/3 pot on turn and river. That is just a starting point though, you need to be able to adjust bet sizes depending on situations such as how draw heavy the board is and how many players are in the pot
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Old 06-23-2007, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
You always either:
a) Bet too little
b) Bet too much

Bet sizing is a real weakness of yours. A good starting point is to bet 3/4 pot on flop and 2/3 pot on turn and river. That is just a starting point though, you need to be able to adjust bet sizes depending on situations such as how draw heavy the board is and how many players are in the pot
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:56 PM
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just start making yourself figure out the pot and implied odds every hand before action commences and figure out what the right bets for certain hands would be in these situations (mathematically speaking) this will not only give you a better handle on controlling your own betting patterns but will help you to decipher how others may play and interperate betting patterns
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Old 06-27-2007, 02:31 AM
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Actually... at baby limits I sorta like the push into a tiny pot. Almost all the time the original raiser is gonna call (they can't fold even a weak raising hand) and you'll get random calls from other terrible hands also. It's always nice to push with AA and have J9 and KQ call.

Most of the equity you lose from pushing early with big pairs is that you keep most hands from calling you. If they'll call with rubbish, the push is probably plus EV.

On your actual question... the overbets there aren't being aggressive, they're a sign of playing afraid. It's less aggressive to just push when you have a tough decision then to apply pressure in the correct manner to make the most money. Harrington called it fear of flopping... but it applies to later streets as well. Protect your hands, fine... but you always have to remember that if you actually prevent your opponents from ever calling you with bad hands, you will never make any profit in poker. Those calls are where you make your money!
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