I am part of a month to month tourney being held by my family in the subdivision I live in. $10 buy-in for night, $5 for final table at end of 8 months. Prize pool gets split 50-30-20 of all the $10 entries. For instance, last night there were 14 people entered, 70-45-25 prize pool, only 13 entries into monthly pot. Monthly pot goes towards the final pot at the end. 8 winners garaunteed seat, if you win a seat you can still enter monthly pot to double chips. Final table will seat 10 players. The second two players are points leaders from the prize pool for the game they entered. So last night, 2nd got 45 points, 3rd got 25. Once you have a seat points don't matter.

Ok now that the ground rules are sort of laid out. We are in month 4 of the grand scheme of things. I haven't placed nor won a seat and I'm getting a bit upset about it. We have some very good players in this group that I belong in, and I feel I can compete with anyone of them. The problem is the fact that they allow teenagers to enter the tourney, actually anybody with $15 can enter. So an 8 yr old could enter if the parents don' care that they give up the $15.

Last night I was BB hlding J8o, 15 yr old to my left who limps in. flop 6-7-8 rainbow. I slow play due to the fact that 15 yr will play anything. He bets BB, I go all in he calls. He shows KK, and my tourney is done. My question to you forum people is, Knowing you have somewhat of a call station was my move into the pot correct? I know that if I had made that move against an older player of the group they's fold like an accordian, but 15 yr old beat me into the pot when I said all in. I'm almost thinking of not playing anymore with these people to get my head back on straight. I'm lost and looking for help.

In that situation going all in w/ J8o is a bad move. First of all if him limped in odds are gonna be he has at least something, even if he is a calling station. Second of all with a flop like that he could have anything. An overpair, str8 draw, two pair, a set. even though you have high pair with a decent kicker there is no reason to go all in. Also, think about it there are roughly 3xBB in the pot. Say you have 20BB. Why on earth would u risk 20BB for 3BB? He also bet into you which should also be a sign. Even if he is a calling station. He could have a pair on the board with an overcard easily. The correct move imo for that flop would be to check or possibly bet min. If you checked first then he bet MAYBE reraise him 2xBB more to see if he is really confident. You'll get a lot of info about what he has based on what he does next. If he re-raises you big time you know you're beat. If he calls you know he probably has a pair, is smoothcalling, or is on a draw.

I don't think I would have moved all-in in that situation. I play in some home games here at school which the players are terrible. To go all in and take 3BB doesn't seem worth the risk of being drawn out to a higher pair if it hits for him. Find a better situation where you know your hand is dominating his.

Originally Posted by Announced Tilt

Juse because he is 15, doesn't mean he is a bad player.

calling an all in bet with 64o, with a pair post flop??? this kid is not a high caliber player. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'm the best. but I was trying to steal the blinds and I put him on a pair, just didn't know it was a high pocket pair.

I know how I went about that play was wrong, but if you were in his position would you call a substantial bet with KK with a possible straight on the board?

Originally Posted by coachbig

calling an all in bet with 64o, with a pair post flop??? this kid is not a high caliber player. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'm the best. but I was trying to steal the blinds and I put him on a pair, just didn't know it was a high pocket pair.

I know how I went about that play was wrong, but if you were in his position would you call a substantial bet with KK with a possible straight on the board?

um.. yes?

Especially an all in bet. Think about it, if you really did have a straight, what would your play have been? Very few people go all in in that situation.

Plus you said you'd been stealing blinds, even more reason for him to call. You didn't play your table image correctly.

Originally Posted by coachbig

calling an all in bet with 64o, with a pair post flop???

There are situations, especially in tournaments where this is a correct play. Do not be so fast to judge simply because his cards are ugly, there is a lot more math involved than just the odds at the table.

would you call a substantial bet with KK with a possible straight on the board

O yes.

Top pair with 8xx means bet enough to make a call from an OESD (or flush) incorrect and an opportunity to fold to a reraise from KK QQ JJ etc (which is probable as they want to avoid seeing an Ace (or other overcard) on the turn or river.