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    Super Moderator WotaWaster's Avatar
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    Default Wota on Slowplaying at Low Stakes

    A mistake often seen in new players (I used to make this mistake myself for sure) is over slowplaying.

    You should note that slowplaying is a deviation from normal strategy since when you have a big hand you want to win a big pot and the easiest way to build a big pot is by making the biggest bet you feel your opponents can call.

    In order to slowplay you need the following type of situations:

    1. Your hand has great strength relative to the board and it is very unlikely an opponent has more than 2-3 outs to outdraw you:

    Eg:
    AK on an A88r flop is slowplayable. If your opponent isn't beating you already there is not a single hand which can outdraw you with more than 3 cards on the turn so flat calling a bet here is likely to result in collecting further bets from a hand like 99-KK or Ax which may fold if you raise on the flop but call a bet on the turn or river.

    Even 88 on an A89 with 2 hearts flop is usually a terrible spot for a slowplay. Alot of hands can have flush/straight draws to outdraw you here.

    OR

    2. The turn/river is likely to improve your opponents hand without him outdrawing you.

    E.g.
    You call a raise from a tight opponent to play a heads up pot with 88. The flop is 822. Your opponent bets. Here you can flat call since there is a possibility he has AK/AQ in which case there are 6 turn cards which can lead to him putting further money into the pot with a hand he would now fold. Again slowplaying is fine here since if he does have an overpair he has just 2 outs to outdraw you.

    AND:

    Your opponents are aggressive and preferably known bluffers

    If a guy is a passive calling station there is never any merit in slowplaying since even if he is sat there with top pair he is far more likely to call a bet then he is to make one. There is nothing worse than slowplaying the nut flush until the river, the board pairs and then your bet gets flat called by the 2nd nut flush.

    AND

    The Board should not be one with many draws present

    There are 3 problems with slowplaying and allowing a draw to complete.

    1. Your opponent may have been on it and has now outdraw you.
    2. If your opponet has a draw he will only pay off bets on flop and turn when he has cards to come. He can't call a river bet with T high.
    3. Your opponent may have had a decent second best hand but draw kills your action. E.g Ak may get all in vs your 88 on an A89flop with 2 hearts but when the 7 hearts falls on the turn he loses interest in the pot.
    Last edited by WotaWaster; 05-31-2007 at 06:32 AM.

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    Nice post Wota.

    Aggressive poker is winning poker. Sure twice in a row you might get no action on your big hand because you've been aggressive but the next time, you stack your opponent

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    Very informative. I will keep those points in mind. Thanks. I normally slowplay the nuts no other as I dont like to take any risks . All other decent hands I play aggressively to see where my opponents are at.

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    Very good. We need more of these posts on the forums from the more experienced players.

    I agree with everything you said. Slowplaying excessively was something I was very guilty of, which my hand posts will probably prove. Seriously guys, at low stakes, slowplaying = bad.
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    I swear if the average player at these stakes would understand this it would be a whole different game.
    Lots of good rakeback options at http://www.rakeguard.com/?raf=KRE8R

    KRE8R probably has about seventy college funds in his NL5 roll.

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    Probably lucky for you they don't hey KrE8r? $$$$$$$$$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    Probably lucky for you they don't hey KrE8r? $$$$$$$$$$
    Hellz yeah.
    Lots of good rakeback options at http://www.rakeguard.com/?raf=KRE8R

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    I love it when people slow play Aces from early position and then check call to the river

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    I very rarely slow play my big (made) hands. Even if I raise 9s PF and it comes out 942 rainbow I still fire out every time. I also CB missed flops a high percentage of the time so I figure that it makes it harder to read when I've hit the flop. Funnily enough the one slow played set in the last week got busted by a SD of a guy playing T8s from EP! LOL!

    Only a few times do I win genuinely big pots (> 50 BB's) with these big hands. I don't know if it's because I play the hands too fast or if I'm just being unlucky to not be up against other (not so) big hands.

    Is it incorrect to NEVER slow play?

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