I'm reading the Phil Hellmuth book (Play like pros), and in PLO he mentions that he didn't do well back then in PLO cause he didn't understand the math behind it. Then he explains how to count your outs etc. Ok in PLO it might be easy enough to count your outs, look at the pot odds and make your decision based on that, esp heads up. But what about PLO8? It seems to me a lot more difficult when you have to take into account the lows too. For example lets say you have a big straight draw and a weak low. Now figuring out whether you can call a pot-sized bet is rather difficult?
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Thread: The math behind PLO8
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04-27-2007 #1
The math behind PLO8
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04-28-2007 #2
I haven't read any of Helmuth's books, but from what I've heard he tends to write about how great he is rather than providing any decent strategy.
For Omaha hi/lo I'd recommend checking out Mike Capelleti's book, Ray Zee and also the section by Daniel Negranue in Super System 2.
Of course, these address limit O8 rather than PLO8, but it's a good starting point.www.RakeReport.net
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04-28-2007 #3
Thanks RR. I think about getting deeper into PLO High though and see if I can master that first. PLO8 is always fun for donking around in micro stakes though.
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04-28-2007 #4
While I'm more of a mixed-game specialist (thus more comfortable with limit games rather than PL or NL cash tables), I believe straight Omaha provides significantly more coin-flip situations when you get the money in (i.e. top set vs. flush & straight draws, etc) where you'll find you have less of an edge.
With O8 you have the opportunity to catch bad players getting attached to their King-high flushes when you have the Ace-high flush and the nut low on top of that (and they think you just have a low and are willing to put all their money in even though the best they can hope for is half the pot)
When you can find a table with people limping A789 from UTG and they won't fold their bottom end of the straight and terrible made low when there are better lows/straights and maybe even a flush possible makes that game extremely profitable.
Just be careful, because the hands you'll play in high-only Omaha are going to be significantly different than you'd play in O8.www.RakeReport.net
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04-28-2007 #5
Yeah, I realize the vastly different starting hands requirements. I probably play too many hands in both games, and play them poorly too. I should be able to master at least the low limits though I think, by working a bit harder on it.
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04-28-2007 #6
You may want to consider playing limit games to start. Granted, they don't teach you to handle the aggression needed in the Pot-Limit variants, but it will mean the errors you make will be less costly.
Then again, if you're playing low enough limits of the Pot-Limit games, then I guess that helps negate the costly errors part.www.RakeReport.net
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04-28-2007 #7
Ok, good idea. Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of Limit games though for some reason. I'm an action junkie I guess.
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04-28-2007 #8
I like them because it's much easier to multi-table loose limit O8 games with rakeback than it is trying to do the same with PL or NL tables.
If you make a mistake in limit, it costs you a bet or two. If you make a mistake in PL or NL it could cost you an entire stack and a significant portion of your potential profit for the day.
I think PL and NL take much more skill/aggression and thus reduce multi-tabling possibilities. Play to your strengths though, if you feel more suited to the action games then stick with them.
If you play limit and you're trying to push action because you're bored, you're just spewing chips my way.www.RakeReport.net
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04-28-2007 #9
I see your point. Limit games are probably great way to earn money by MT'ing if you're skilled. When learning a game however I usually single-table so I can focus on every decision. I certainly spew money in PLO but it's ok as long as I get it back from NLHE.
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04-28-2007 #10PokerForums God
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Steve-O wrote a decent PLO8 article on pokery pages once. There is almost nothing on the PLO8 in books. Negreanu wrote about 2-7 TLD in SS2. No one wrote about PLO8 in that book.
The best place for info is probably on poker forums. "4" has a lot of PLO8 donks. The game is really an internet only game, and I hate it. But it is a scoop game
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