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  1. #1
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    Default how would you have played this?

    I seem to have donated chips to this fella.
    I guess you have to watch out when there's a pair on the board...


    Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

    MP1 (t2705)
    MP2 (t1700)
    CO (t1145)
    Button (t1570)
    Hero (t1650)
    BB (t1380)
    UTG (t1910)
    UTG+1 (t1440)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t200) , , (4 players)
    Hero bets t100, BB folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100.

    Turn: (t500) (3 players)
    Hero bets t250, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t250.

    River: (t1000) (2 players)
    Hero bets t500, MP2 calls t500.

    Final Pot: t2000

    Result:
    MP2 showed , and won (2,000) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces
    Hero showed and lost with three of a kind, Aces
    Last edited by theaddiction; 04-18-2007 at 04:39 PM.

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    i would raise pre flop, bet pot after the flop , and go busto on the turn
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    OOP, I raise this preflop to 250-300.

    As played, not much you can do. How MP2 doesn't raise that on the turn/shove the river I'll never know.
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    This is a tough spot, I see arguments for check/calling the river and for betting it.

    It's hard to see you're behind although AJ and AQ are possibilities. That said I see those hands raising the flop to see where they are and especially bumping it up on the turn.

    77 or 66 don't make sense the way he has played it either.

    I'm not sure if I agree with raising PF david, I think you get too many fish at these early blind levels that you won't be able to take it down PF. I'd complete, but maybe that's me being too tight. This is obviously dependant on the table though.

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    I think this is fine. Definitely DO NOT raise PF. You're only at the 3rd level and there's no need for a big pot with AT. It's a shit hand. You're out of position. You're going to miss the flop 2/3 times.

    He played his 77 horribly, IMO, though. He could've gotten your stack.
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    Maybe this is why I suck at tourneys....

    Really? Not raising here guys? I figure us to have the best hand right now, MP1 has represented nothing and MP2 could have a huge range. True our M is still like 22 (HOHII says to get aggressive with hands like AT when <20) but I think this is a nice spot to try and take it down and, like I say before, I'm not worried about the kicker on the flop because I really don't put the others on a high ace (AJ is possible I suppose though).

    I just want to take control of the pot now given our position. Would depend on opponents stats though, not raising this against 60/5/1 players (inspite of my thread in HandAnalysis )
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    HOH really is designed for MTTs but yes, a lot still applies for SNGs but right here, there's no need to raise.

    The blinds do not inflict damage to our stacks, so why would we be willing to let a big chunk go to the opposition with AT? It's a legitimate question and is a huge leak a lot of people have in SNGs. The object of a SNG is to keep as many chips as you can until the bubble and when it's push/fold.

    It's not surprising, to see good player's stats be around 10/5 until the 75/150 level is hit. I've railed and played in some $55s. There's one guy, JOSE1OF1, absolutely crushes these. 16% ROI through 3K hands. His stats ran 0/0 in both and the 3 I watched of his until 75/150.

    The more chips you lose early, the less chips that can be doubled when it comes time to be a push bot.

    While seeing flops and playing somewhat looser early on is put to success by the better players as well, I guarantee it's never with AT. Guaranteed.

    Why raise here? You'd want to raise here to take it down right now. Will you? More than likely, you will not. So now you've got a decent sized pot and you're going to miss 2/3 of the time. Meaning if you c-bet, you have to fold to a reraise or simply check-fold. You could've saved a lot of chips by just completing PF.

    Now, say you raise and get callers. What can you put them on? Well, the general range at these stakes is A2s+, A8o+, KTs+, KJo+, 22-TT, 56s+, 78o+, and then of course, a load of other crap as well but generaly.

    If you raise it to 200 and get a caller, the AXs, big Ks, and pairs stick around. They hit, you don't, you lose a c-bet. But take a cheap flop, go for 2 pair, a monster draw, or trips.
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    Yeah well said, I do tend to run uber-tight stats until the 75/150 levels and then it's push/fold time. Granted I hardly play any tourneys at the moment but that's probably a big leak of mine.

    Might need that CR membership soon then...
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    I've found 3 or 4 SNG vids on CR that made the membership worth it by themselves.

    ahh_snap 4-tabling.

    ActionJeff's SNG Strategy

    Stinger 2-tabling FTP

    ActionJeff $225 reg. & $22 turbo.

    But in all honesty, you'd really like CR. Those SNGs alone will improve your game, and you're obviously more of a cash game player so Taylor and Andrew's vids will give you a hardon, lol.

    Also, mr menlo just joined their staff so they got a HUGE boost to their MTT section. Also, Zpaceman who is one of the best TAG MTT players around.

    I, though, will be joining PXF this summer as I play only SNGs and MTTs.
    BOSS

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    Fuck it I'm joining now

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