WILD AND CRAZY 15/30 Limit Omaha game at Harrah's

The 5/5 NLHE game died when myself and Phat had stacks over 2k. LUCK LUCK LUCK. When I say died, I mean it died. The other 2 tables were going, but I didn't wanna be on a list for over an hour and I couldn't just remove my $$$$ from the table. The 15/30 limit Omaha was very live, so I figured WTF.

Bear in mind, the only Omaha that I play is PLO twice a week. I've never played limit OmahaHi outside of shorthanded 1/2 or 3/6 online. Here we go.

I have in MP

UTG straddles
UTG+1 raises
MP1 folds
MP2 calls
THE ALEX calls (good?)
CO folds
Button calls
SB folds
BB calls
UTG calls

Pot: $280

Flop:

BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, THE ALEX raises, Button calls, BB and UTG folds, UTG+1 re-raises, I call, Button calls

Turn:

UTG+1 bets, I call, Button calls

River:

UTG+1 bets, I raise, Button folds, UTG re-raises, I call.

What do you guys think is going on here? I was getting a little confused going back and forth in my head on how good my hand was. I wish I were playing PLO, so I could gauge whether I was best on the flop or turn, but the pot was so big, I wasn't folding. Were my raises out of line on the flop or river. I'm thinking AAXX, but what one of those X's is the other 8 or XX=99 or KK or even JJ.

I totally brain farted. I'll tell you guys what happened in a few days.

Originally Posted by Beavis68

raise pre-flop, raise the flop, call the turn, call the river. you have a good hand but not killer.

1.) I did consider a PF cap, but in this limit setting, I figured to get paid better if I hit and someone else capped. I don't like that I called the 3rd bet either. Good call, Beav.

2.) Should I have capped the flop? I say yes and call the turn and river as you said.

I feel the same way Beav. I played this very clunky and I could feel it as it was happening.

The game is the game. Gotta realize that this is in the biggest poker room in the Chicagoland/NW Indiana area and only has about 30 tables. About 5 are Limit Omaha Hi, 3/4 are SSLO8, 1 or 2 specialty tables, 5 or 6 Stud tables and the rest are Hold 'em. So it's not like an inexperienced Omaha player has much of a choice. If the cash is available, they're playing the game.

The UTG and the button players were constant straddlers and I had only been sitting for 45 min. PF, I think that this was a great oppurtunity to go heads up with UTG+1 by capping as he was a little steamed that his blinds were constantly stolen and he was getting straddled. He wasn't a scary player or uber-tight. He knew how to play and the ins and outs, but his emotions were clearly in the way, but that never means that they don't have a hand.

The button was obviously on a diamond draw. He was one of those guys that loves to raise a lot PF and see a lot of flops, but couldn't pull the trigger at any other times in hands. He did it here too. But I could've been in real trouble with him behind me acting like UTG+1 on this board.

OK heres my 2 cents, but mind you, I dont play Limit Omaha.

Cap the Flop. YOu have a set, and a strong SF draw.

I think I would have been jamming the whole way.

Of course, I suck at omaha.

tough hand to play in limit, with that many people I'm disregarding the flush unless I hit a straight flush and you are drawing to an underfull.

My brain says muck preflop, but I think in reality I would have raised to limit the field which will help your flush draws if they hit, dropping just 1 opponent who would have called is more important in my opinion than getting an extra caller in the pot preflop. you have 2 semi strong flush draws and should try to make them good by folding a slightly better one.

the flop has trouble written all over it, you can't fold but at the same time you can't be overly thrilled, you were looking for the big wrap, you got a good flop if you were playing PLO. I disagree with capping the pot, the button called 2 cold and you're going to have to bet into him on the turn he isn't going anywhere. what would he call 2 cold with??? nut flush draw? wrap straight draw? slowplaying 99? an 8?

turn I would have done the same, let the button define his hand which he did, I'm guessing he has the other 8 or a nut draw. UTG AAxx with the Ace of diamonds? if the button raised you could safely fold to another re-raise by UTG+1. but this is a hand that looks like you'll either squeak it out or you are going to have to take your medicine like a good little boy.


the river I would have just called, raising you lose the button. if you call and keep the button in, with an 8, you win the same as raising and getting called by the UTG+1 and avoid the re-raise.

Originally Posted by Steve-O

tough hand to play in limit, with that many people I'm disregarding the flush unless I hit a straight flush and you are drawing to an underfull...

Being ds wasn't a part of my focus at all. The flush was a maybe bonus, but completely out of my mind when the button cold called on the flop.

Originally Posted by Steve-O

the flop has trouble written all over it, you can't fold but at the same time you can't be overly thrilled... but this is a hand that looks like you'll either squeak it out or you are going to have to take your medicine like a good little boy.

Exactly. I liked my set, but I liked the wrap more as 89 are cards with a lot of other cards to compliment them. A slowplay to a boat was a large concern of mine to the point where I was ready to just to rake in a big pot or minimize my loss.

This mentality is what fucked with me on the turn. When UTG+1 bet, I was pretty sure that he didn't have a boat, but I had to feel as if he had something. Getting out wasn't an option, but should it have been with the button calling so much? We all know and I should've not shown the flop action and what the button did because he was a slight fear, but 89XX and KKXX were only fears. K8 and 99 were actually not big fears of mine. The atmosphere at this table was not too high on pairs<K's.

I guess a new question to go along with this. I liked the flop for the set, but the action frightened me. Was my wrap good? Because if not, then I only beat 89XX on the river and I was playing the turn/river for a T, J, Q, or 8. That's 10 outs, but with the uncertainty and just realism of 4 hole cards, I'd be lucky to realistically have more than 7 or 8 of those outs as live cards.

A 7 might be OK but a TJQ has to scare you for the boat possibilities.

looking at the entire hand you have only 3 pure outs the 2 straight flush outs and the case 8. no other card is very warm and fuzzy for you.