I'd say it's mostly just wrong to open limp. I play 6-max and open limp only from UTG. I do it only if the game is very aggressive. I limp low PPs 22-77 in order to avoid 3-bets that could ruin my odds for the set (I'm not sure if this is a good strategy tho). I also very rarely open limp high PPs JJ+ if I think there's a good chance I can re-raise with them before the flop. Suited connectors and crappy face cards (like QJo and KJo) I just fold from EP cos' I like my taggy play.

Actually I would be happy to hear a pro reply about limping small PPs from UTG (or EP).

PS. There's an interesting part in NLHE: T&P where sklansky says it's frequently correct to limp some hands OTB(!) if folded to. I don't do it though...

Jup

I think it is correct to open limp with small pocket pairs in a situation where you feel it is highly unlikely you will ever take the blinds if you raise preflop and people are so bad they will stack off with top pair in an unraised pot anyway.

i cant remember the last time i limped in a 6max cash game

24/22/6 FTW!!!

im going to pick apart gders post a bit because i think there is alot of stuff I can agree/disagree with.

Originally Posted by gder03

the more EP it is the less you should limp, the closer to the button th better to limp. taht is only if you wanna limp.

Disagree. you should NEVER open limp in late position. like if i have 72o OTB and its folded to me and I CANNOT fold, i have to limp or raise, the best play is to raise.

like say I have 23s, and I can only choose to raise from one spot, other has to be limp. I would raise it UTG and limp it OTB, mainly b/c I think It would be more +EV to do taht than vis versa.

again I disagree. raising 23s UTG is -EV against most players.

I cheked PT and does open limp = Cold Calls PF? If so, then my #s are;
UTG: 0%
UTG+1: .33
CO: 1.63
OTB: 3.17

I'm pretty sure it means something else though.

i thought it meant how many times you call a raise but then those numbers wouldnt make sense. maybe it means cold calls re raises preflop, which would make sense cause its impossible to do that UTG.

I think you should open limp if like the table is ultra passive and you wanna play a hand. Liek say your UTG w/ 79s and each time youv been raising UTG you get like 2 or 3 calls, then maybe you should call if you don't feel like folding.

If the table is ultra passive why would you ever limp? if you dont feel comfortable raising 79s utg just fold it, folding it isnt a bad play, you dont have to play s/c's! same goes for people who are kinda scared to play their button with decent hands. like 3 people limp to you and you have QJo. ok against 1/2 limpers ill raise this up to isolate but if the table is loose and you dont feel like playining a big pot with QJo then its ok to just fold! there isnt much value in limping this hand!

Also if a lag tard is donky tilting maybe you should open limp a strong hand, and the c/r him.

this is obviously an ok play however sometimes its unneccesary/overused. for instance. (and this also goes with check raising the flop) for this play to be effective and worthwile, he has to be in the right position to trap the most dead monies. say you are UTG 6 handed with aces, table is fairly passive except for the guy next to act is insane and tilting. here its good to limp, because if he raises, you might get 1, 2, 3, or 4 calls, maybe even another raise from anyone else behind him! now you can raise with tons of dead money in the pot, it might even look like a squeeze play! a bad spot to do it would be if say you were UTG and the tilter was the big blind. here i would open raise my strrong hands EVERY time. that way people might call me and build the pot, while the tilter is still to act. if i limped and it limped to the tilter who is going to raise, sure we trap his raise but everyone else is probably going to fold.

this is also apparent with like flopping a huge hand in a raised pot. i like to mix it up with how i play my huge hands, and here is how i do it. say im the small blind with 33. the CO raises, i call, big blind calls. flop is 3 X X. here I might lead out. alot of the time, they will both fold. however if i bet out there is the chance that the big blind will call putting some money into the pot, then the button might raise! if i check raise here, the button might bet, i raise, and the bb will probably just fold! also the button just might take afree card, soem people wont bet into 2 people without nothing!

this is also something to consider when you want to know what to do with a big draw, either check raise, or bet 3bet all in. you need to trap the most dead money. this is a very important concept imo, learn it.

Originally Posted by gder03

I cheked PT and does open limp = Cold Calls PF? If so, then my #s are;
UTG: 0%
UTG+1: .33
CO: 1.63
OTB: 3.17

Cold Call
To call more than one bet in a single action. For instance, suppose the first player to act after the big blind raises. Now any player acting after him must call two bets "cold". This is different from calling a single bet and then calling a subsequent raise.

It's more important in FL poker term imo. You really do have to have a great hand to cold call (in limit). Just my 2 cents...

Jup