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    Default Restealing

    $10 Rebuy. About 40-50 left.

    The raiser's only opened the pot twice in the 20-25 hands that we've been at the table. The 1st time, he raised to 3x UTG and won the pot. The 2nd time, he raised to 4x UTG and folded to a shove by Damonsweat. The other times, there've been raises in fron of him or he's folded in early position.

    Question: What are you doing with what cards and why if you're me in the BB?

    Seat 2: devin722 (142185 in chips)
    Seat 3: aqualung1126 (94438 in chips)
    Seat 4: AJKHoosier1 (100081 in chips)
    Seat 5: Doub13GuTTed (125225 in chips)
    Seat 6: Damonsweat (340302 in chips)
    Seat 7: lastdon888 (79701 in chips)
    Seat 8: peterhammer (164377 in chips)

    devin722: posts the ante 400
    aqualung1126: posts the ante 400
    AJKHoosier1: posts the ante 400
    Doub13GuTTed: posts the ante 400
    Damonsweat: posts the ante 400
    lastdon888: posts the ante 400
    peterhammer: posts the ante 400
    AJKHoosier1: posts small blind 4000
    Doub13GuTTed: posts big blind 8000


    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Doub13GuTTed [* *]
    Damonsweat: folds
    lastdon888: folds
    peterhammer: folds
    LKNTC is connected
    devin722: folds
    aqualung1126: raises 8000 to 16000
    AJKHoosier1: folds
    Doub13GuTTed: raises 108825 to 124825 and is all-in
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    Well... We know the guy can fold a good hands. So he probably can fold to a re steal in that situation even if I dont think it would be a good play from him.

    BUT:

    The problem here is that he knows you might be on a re steal as well. And if he folds his M will be just over 5... So his calling range is pretty wide here IMO. Any A, any pair, a lot of Ks and maybe more. You got to be careful with hands that can easily be dominated IMHO.

    Personally if I'm villain, I don't make this raise with a hand that I wont call a re steal with. If I desperately want to steal and have a crappy hand, I will push here. After all his M is at 6.5 or soo.

    That said, I dont know what is M was when he folded after a 4x raise UTG, but it was heck of a tight play (with no read on Damon?) Thats the only reason why I could resteal here.

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    Heck, I've seen people go nuts with middle pair!

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    Did you have 88 and mistype or does ** represent that you would do wthis with any 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WotaWaster View Post
    Did you have 88 and mistype or does ** represent that you would do wthis with any 2?
    He asked the Question "What are you doing with what cards and why if you're me in the BB?"

    Meaning, use his asterics as variables, set these variables with different values and make suggestions depending on those values.

    It looks lihe there is 26k in the pot, which would be nice, but if you push and lose you are really short stacked.

    Could you get the same information by raising to say, 40 or since that commits you anyway, you may as well push and go for fold value?

    I think I'd push TT+, and AQ+. A-10 I would have a tough decision, but lower than that I may just fold and wait for a better time. I'd hate to get this far just to make a bad blind defense
    Last edited by Pinguaq; 03-02-2007 at 05:51 AM.
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    I'm completely down with what KJ said.
    BOSS

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    edit im a moron and cant add

    min raise?
    wtf
    Last edited by obga; 03-02-2007 at 08:31 AM.

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    For me this is tricky because the last two live tourneys I've busted from a Blinds confrontation. It has made me seriously look at what might be a big leak in my game.

    As far as I can see he has only min raised which looks scary so having said that, to push and re-steal I think I would need to have TT or higher or AQ, AK(funny I would proberly feel more comfortable with making a move here if he had raised 4x). I agree with what Pinguaq said, it would be a tough way to go out having played for so long.

    I know you had only been there for 20+ hands but what was your table image and how had you been playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinguaq View Post

    I think I'd push TT+, and AQ+. A-10 I would have a tough decision, but lower than that I may just fold and wait for a better time. I'd hate to get this far just to make a bad blind defense
    wow, that is way too tight. How is resealing bad blind defense?

    playing like that just gets you blinded away, trust me, I had to learn the hard way (as Alex, a light clicked on in my head a few months ago and I started opening up)

    You should have plenty of blind defense plays in your arsenal. stop n go, resteal, go n go, these all keep your chip stack afloat while you are running card dead with 50 left in a rebuy tournament (which is 100% standard as we all know, lol)
    imo 13-15 bb's are the best resteal stacks.
    and alex, the guy has 11 big blinds... are you really shoving that many hands when he puts 20%ish of his stack out there?

    Maybe not with his stack but if he had less chips I would lean toward a stop n go here. Preflop he is going to have pot odds to call with a hand like 33, A9, we can fold these hands on lots of flops, and not have to shove and get it in with like A2, etc.



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    Last edited by tightagressive; 03-02-2007 at 08:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tightagressive View Post
    wow, that is way too tight. How is resealing bad blind defense?
    yes, yes, restealing is good blind defense... when it works One of my favorite moves from the button (especially when the blinds are big) and it's folded around to me is min-raise with AA-QQ/AK as it totally looks like a steal and they often re-raise/push with very little
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinguaq View Post
    I think I'd push TT+, and AQ+. A-10 I would have a tough decision, but lower than that I may just fold and wait for a better time.
    So 95% of the time, he's taking your blind with a minraise that leaves him 10bbs in his stack? Even if he calls 100% of the time that you're pushing, you've lost 152k folding and you're not winning 152k if he calls every time and you win every time of the 5% that you push.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
    GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
    GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
    WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
    WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus

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