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View Poll Results: What do you do with the bottom two in this spot?

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  • Call Gap, call any raise, go all in on turn/fold to an Ace, Queen, club

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  1. #1
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    Default NLHE- 67s on the button. What do you do in this spot?

    5/5 NL at Harrah's. (no rake. $6 fee every dealer change [25-30 min.])

    The table is the same as always. Lots of people throwing dead money into the pot PF as in they love to limp, but won't call a raise to 4-5BB's with marginal hands. The aggression is low outside of myself and 2 other Fri.-Sat. regulars in this game who I refer to as Phat (loves to wear Phat Farm) and GAP (yuppie lookin' guy. Lookwise, the white guy in that trio on Tilt reminds of him.) Both of these guys are the only really good players. Phat's very loose and will make marginal calls, but he plays very positionally with his aggression. GAP just plays tight ABC oppurtunist poker. Waits for the bigguns and bets big. If he's checking, he's usually folding unless it's OBVIOUS that checking will induce a bet, so he can move in. I've never seen him check-raise less than all in.

    I'm running well, getting respect 2 hours into the game and I'm up to over $1,100 from my initial $500. The guy in the second blind had been at the table for a little over an hour and had already lost his first $500 when he called all in with 99 PF and was down about $150-175 from his second buy-in. Other than that, I don't know much.

    On to the hand:
    I'm dealt in the CO

    Phat UTG: calls $5
    UTG+1:folds
    "desk jockey": calls $5
    GAP: calls $5
    Me: raise to $20
    button (weak-tight): folds
    1B (no read): calls $15
    2B : calls $15
    Phat: folds
    DJ: calls
    GAP: calls $15

    Flop ($90): Q67 rbw/2 clubs, no diamonds
    1B: checks
    2B: checks
    GAP ($400+): bets $75

    What do you do here with the bottom 2 pair on a flop like this against this guy? After this bet he has a couple bucks more than $325 left in his stack. The pot's $165.
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    I'm thinking AQ or KQs. Pocket Queens should have reraised with 3 opponents pre-flop, and QQ, 66, or 77 would likely be a check raise from your description of this guy. any other hand is pretty far out of the question based on your description of him.

    I have a hard time seeing him having you beat right now from your input.

    I would put him all in, $165 pot, he has $325 left. he's getting $490 to $325 on his call so he might call you with TPTK, but if he folds the pot is big enough to win and you have a semi-vulnerable hand.
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    I would raise, but not all in. Ask for $150 more perhaps.
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    I'm the only one who thought it might be right to just call and raise fourth? Otherwise raise to $300 and take the rest on fourth.
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    I thought AQ as he limped then called when it was a multiway pot.

    QQ surely a raise pf. Would he have folded 77 or 66? Probably. There's nothing else that puts him ahead he would have played (unless he also has 67 perhaps??)

    Could be drawing to a straight or flush, in which case you need to make it a mistake for him to call.

    Raise big or push in, if he hits a flush or other draw that's how it is.


    If you can't afford to lose it, your playing above your roll (though by the sounds of it you are not)

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    I didn't take more than 10-12 seconds to make my decisions, but here was my thinking:

    1.) What were the blinds calling PF and are they trapping?
    No. I had bottom 2 pair. QQ would've re-raised PF, and 66 and 77- well, I have a 6 and a 7, along with a 6 and a 7 on the board, if someone has 66 or 77, they're lucky and I'm unlucky. I'm not concerned with them.

    2.) GAP had AQ. I was sure of it. With two callers on my raise PF, it closes down his range of hands and this guy would've re-raised with QQ, called with AQ, and folded KQ. I did forget to mention that the clubs were the 6 and 7.

    3.) How do I maximize figuring the blinds are folding regardless?

    I didn't wanna gamble with Question 3 as I did consider calling but one of these blinds calling with a , , , , (hell, the last three, I would've played PF the same as the blinds, but would've been swinging on the flop and they didn't, but many won't), so I moved in to take the pot as it was and was called by the 2nd blind (desk jockey) and GAP folded as I expected.

    Desk Jockey turns over immediately GAP folded. I threw my head down and went, "HA!" before I turned my cards over. Desk Jockey says, "Phew. I was scared that you had QQ." Yeah, buddy. Sure, you were. Like you would've considered dropping middle set on the flop. He had $323 left

    Anyway, I rake in a profit of around $450... Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I caught running 6's.

    Ouch. Talk about a bad beat. I'd play it this way tomorrow, though. He was very unhappy. I'll tell the rest in another thread.
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    Haha ni han suh!
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