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6 people call a raise and I call as well. pot 14 SB's.
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, UTG bets out 3 calls. good time to take one off? pot 18 SB's.
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Thread: a good spot to take one off?
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02-18-2005 #1
a good spot to take one off?
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02-18-2005 #2
NO, you need runners. Odds are good, but not the chances of you winning. I believe you are NOT getting odds to call this.
Marm is back, maybe. Been off for 3 years. Rusty as Hell.
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02-18-2005 #3PokerForums God
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I think so, 8 outs to an OESD, and 8 more for a flush draw, plus two of the flush outs give you a belly buster draw.
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02-18-2005 #4Fish Food
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I'm folding here, if I was on the button it might be different. This hand is going to be hard to play on the river if you make it(c/r or lead?) You mighth ave to call 2 or more bets on the turn even if you get a draw.
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02-18-2005 #5
my thinking was there are 10 hearts 8 of which won't pair the board and 3 other 7s and Jacks, the 7s being the safest out. I was almost positive UTG had AK, the others are loose but would have raised with 2 pair or better so I really wasn't to concerned if a heart paired the board.
I have 14 outs to a good draw and possibly 2 other outs.
Just using the 14 outs I'm roughly 2.5 to 1 to hit one of them on the turn.
I'll be overly careful and give myself 3 to 1 odds. so 3 times I lose 1 SB.
1 time I continue on, with about 8 outs. or about 5 to 1 (again being careful)
so 5 times when i continue on i lose 2 more bets or 3 SB's total
and 1 time i win around 30 SB's. This is without adding in the 4% of the time you have a straight flush draw.
if I can average 28 SB's per win, (I would win 5 out of 100) I would show a 5 SB profit. 75 times i lose 1 SB, 20 times I lose 3 SB's.
And this was being extremely cautious with the odds, the odds are actually better than this. Or maybe I'm just justifying a loose call
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02-18-2005 #6PokerForums God
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I actually have an eirily similar post.
Too Fishy
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02-19-2005 #7
Your runner-runner odds without a paired board are around 24:1, though aren't they?
3:1 for the draw and 5:1 on hitting the river? So:
75:25 and then 21:4, so we're lookin' at 96:4=24:1
Based on this, I'd say that this is a bad spot to take a card. Where my math is faulty, let me know. This is on the fly.
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02-19-2005 #8
No your math is right but look at how i worked it out in my second post. since 3 out of 4 times you only pay 1 SB, it's that other 25% if the time that makes or breaks your odds.
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02-19-2005 #9
If you're a 24:1 shot, you'd have to expect to have to pay on the turn 25% of the time, which will be an 8-9:1 call which is good, do the large odds on the pot make up for the mathematically inept call on the flop?
Maybe. I'll give it a whirl, but you're answering my question with your math as to prove: yes, you make up for it and them some. But, yes, you are desperately trying to justify a loose call as in the more of a long shot you are, the more hands that you'll need to make your profit.
I think of it this way. If someone offers me a bet once a week for a year, giving me 52:1 odds on me picking up a 4-8-10 split, legally (as in it can't bounce out of the gutter), I would not take the bet. Could I do it once in 104 times, maybe? But would I make a long term investment to break even and gross a couple of extra bucks (or bets)?
What about the odds of someone having a higher flush draw, how much would that reduce your profit?
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02-19-2005 #10
this is one of those times that I'm not so sure the odds tell the whole truth.
if every time it cost me 2 SB's it would be a bad call since i figure the final pot in the 30 SB range.
however it will cost me on average 1.35 SB's. and my return will be around 1.4-1.5 Sb's.
It's pretty close and not a call I would make every time but I was almost positive the UTG had AK and the others had a pair or a pocket pair by how they would play anything else. my read that any straight I would make would be good made me call, i also think the King was the heart not the 9 like I posted because I remeber saying he doesn't have AK suited.Read my musings on poker and life at Online Poker Examiner, Poker Examiner, PokerNewsBoy.com, and My Poker Blog
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