Here's a hand from last night were my AA got cracked for a BIG pot. Looking back at the history, I probably should have folded to the re-raise on the turn (at least I had the sense to stop raising and start calling there). Opinions?

I can't beleive that goober called a pre-flop raise and a re-raise with 88. Punk.

(btw - if anyone has the link for one of the hand converters I'd be happy to start using it).




Hand #4462866-1670 at Madras ($.25/$.50 Hold'em)
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Started at 17/Feb/05 22:33:48

RenegadeGal48 is at seat 0 with $14.90.
lmno is at seat 1 with $18.80.
ace69 is at seat 2 with $25.
rapalaman is at seat 3 with $10.35.
gavin38 is at seat 4 with $39.30.
billmcl2 is at seat 5 with $9.05.
House Of Wine is at seat 6 with $13.35.
Girevik is at seat 7 with $13.10.
Scott92 is at seat 8 with $10.95.
WildJax is at seat 9 with $14.15.
The button is at seat 8.

WildJax posts the small blind of $.10.
RenegadeGal48 posts the big blind of $.25.
ace69 posts out of turn for $.25.

RenegadeGal48: -- --
lmno: -- --
ace69: -- --
rapalaman: -- --
gavin38: -- --
billmcl2: -- --
House Of Wine: -- --
Girevik: Ah As
Scott92: -- --
WildJax: -- --

Pre-flop:

lmno calls. ace69 checks. rapalaman
calls.
gavin38 calls. billmcl2 calls. House Of
Wine folds.
Girevik raises to $.50. Scott92
re-raises to $.75.
WildJax folds. RenegadeGal48 folds.
lmno folds.
ace69 calls. rapalaman calls. gavin38
calls.
billmcl2 calls. Girevik re-raises to $1.
Scott92
calls. ace69 calls. rapalaman calls.
gavin38
calls. billmcl2 calls.

Flop (board: 7c Th 8h):

ace69 checks. rapalaman checks. gavin38
bets $.25.
billmcl2 calls. Girevik raises to $.50.
Scott92
re-raises to $.75. ace69 folds.
rapalaman folds.
gavin38 calls. billmcl2 calls. Girevik
calls.

Turn (board: 7c Th 8h 7h):

gavin38 bets $.50. billmcl2 calls.
Girevik calls.
Scott92 raises to $1. gavin38 re-raises to
$1.50.
billmcl2 calls. Girevik calls. Scott92
calls.

River (board: 7c Th 8h 7h 3d):

gavin38 checks. billmcl2 checks. Girevik
checks.
Scott92 checks.



Showdown:

gavin38 shows 7s 9h.
gavin38 has 7s 9h 7c Th 7h: three sevens.
billmcl2 shows 8s 8c.
billmcl2 has 8s 8c 7c 8h 7h: full house, eights
full of sevens.
Girevik mucks cards.
(Girevik has Ah As.)
Scott92 mucks cards.
(Scott92 has Qs Qh.)

Tough beat. Hard to believe that you were in this pot with someone who followed capped betting preflop with 97o.

I think that your betting preflop and on the flop were fine. The betting on the flop strongly suggests that you are up against either a set or another big pair. Two-pair doesn't seem likely from the texture of the board and the preflop betting (but hey... the preflop betting wouldn't have suggested someone with 97o either).

As for the turn, I might have called the first bet, but I probably would not have called two re-raises. It's hard to imagine that both of your opponents are playing hands that you can beat at this point. Your only outs would be the remaining two aces, and that's a 22:1 shot at best if they're both still live (you might have put at least one of your opponent's on a hand like A7s, leaving you with only one out... and a split pot if it hits!). This board was bad news for you, and it was time to go home.

Sorry for the beat... you wait all night for these cards and then run into someone who catches the perfect flop for hand where you're a 4:1 preflop favorite.

And then they all check the river?

I have folded aces before, with the board that connected and suited, and paired, this would be a spot where I very well may fold. But since you had the that gives you good back-up. This is a tough one, I wouldn't sweat it too much.

I may be way off base here, but in a NL game, I'll call a raise to 10% of my chips on a mid-pair if there is that much action. With the raise and re-raise, I'd be confident that there will be at least 2 players in with me, and if I hit my set on the flop, I have an excellent shot at getting paid big.

Particularly, if the re-raiser has been leaning w/ big drawing cards (AK, AQ, etc) I'm extra-happy to call, hoping that the A will flop along with my set.

Like I said, the great poker minds here will probably be along to explain why this is stupid, but it has seemed to work for me. Of course, there are always variables...for example, if the re-raise represents too much of my stack (over 10% or so) I'll toss it. Also, if I have reason to believe that the origina; raiser will come over the top of the re-raiser when the action gets to him, I'll fold to the re-raise since I'm not calling the 3rd raise anyway.

Of course, if I don't hit the flop, I'm gone no matter what pretty much. Is this stupid?

Doc, how does this relate to Kettle Bells question?


As to your post, I believe that unless you have a good pair, like TT or maybe 99, 10% maybe too much of your stack - also, you want to make sure your oppenent has a large stack too.

It relates to the question in that he was incredulous that the player called a re-raise w/ 88...that's all I was getting at. I didn't intend it to be a thread jack.

just curious, calling 3-bets in limit is a little different than callilng a raise in NL.

i think another problem that u have is playing .25/50 NL with 14$

IT IS LIMIT!

A good clue is that the BB only posted 25c.