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    Part of my game I'm sure needs improvement but i'm not sure on, thought i'd seek here for advice.

    It's usually in the form of having loose players pre flop limp in when i have average cards, but then i get top pair on the flop with a decent kicker, however there are two suited cards on the board and I'm OOP. I then usually lead out with a 3/4 to pot sized bet and get one caller. On the turn, a 3rd suited card comes.....


    Now, what do I do? The lone caller had wrong pot odds, but the right implied odds to call to chase flush. They usually loose so it's fair to put them on two suited cards. I tend to check, but i feel this shows weakness and then they are able to bet to simply represent the flush. However if I lead out with another pot sized bet i find myself often faced with an over the top reraise, or get a caller and then checking the river and paying off the flush.


    Thoughts? I try to play TAG but feel like im paying people off when they hit their draw.

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    bet bigger if you feel they are chasing a flush.

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    Bump... any more suggestions?

    What about if i cbet the flop and get called, and get a safe card on the turn? Bet again or hope to check it down?

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    If you are playing against bad, loose players then it is unlikely they are observant enough to notice that you will always fold when someone bets a flush card. This means there is no reason to believe you will be targetted for this as you may be at high stakes vs very good players.

    Tip 1. Play less hands from early position and more from late positon. This means you will be able to control the size of the pot more easily and not have o show weakness before te other player acts.

    Tip 2. If you are playing a hand like top pair from Out of Position I would suggest simply check-folding almost every time the flush card hits unless you have reads on players. Sometimes call with a very strong hand such as a set and make notes on what they had.

    If you see someone playing J6s and calling potsize bets on a flush draw and getting paid off on river by someone else then make a note on him. Be more inclined to give him credit for a flush in future. If you see someone get called down by someone else bluffing a flsh card, be less inclined to give him credit for the flush in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMan View Post
    bet bigger if you feel they are chasing a flush.
    Only bet bigger if you feel you're gonna pay them off when it hits. If you think to yourself "I'm gonna lose alot if he has a flush" bet bigger in the first place and deny them proper implied odds. If you think "fuck it, if he hits the flush I'm folding" then you can bet smaller (giving him 2 or 3:1) knowing he isn't getting implied odds and you can get away cheaper when he hits.

    Just remember (as long as you don't pay them off) every time they chase a flush with incorrect odds, you win in the long run.
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    What is your typical holding in this spot? If it's anything less than a good pocket pair (TT or maybe even JJ+) or AQ/AK suited, throw it away in EP, esp when you know this type of player is between you and the button. This will help prevent these situations.

    Make sure you are raising enough to isolate PF in MP+1 to the button. If 4x BB open raise isn't working, try 5-6x BB.

    2/3-3/4 bet on the flop is right IMO.

    Check fold to the 3rd suited card on the turn if there are no other apparent draws and he bets big to your check.
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