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    Mike McDermott gder03's Avatar
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    Default VPIP/ PFR discusison

    So I logged in a session on PT, on a new database. I havn't used PT in a long time, and figure I should start again.

    So my PFR is about UB was about 13.x% and my FT PFR was about 15.x% (note: this is a little 50nl and mostly 60NL deepstack, so when im deep, I will really loosen up PF). When I looked @ my stats in terms of position, all my PFR% were like 19+ from UTG-BUtton, while my blind % were about 4-6%.

    So I guess it is just an average of all 6 positions? THe blinds can really skew your true "looseness".

    So here is my discussion:
    Discuss your pfr by position: ideally, you should be tight early, and loose toward the button. The guys @ cardrunners really beat this down into every video they show. I think the first thing to address when learning/becoming is your preflop game in relation to position.

    So my stats are:

    VPIP: it gradually moves higher from the BB(18) to button (31) in very equal order pretty much. my sb is highest @ 34. IDK why.

    PFR: not as properly destributed as my VPIP. This is prolly b/c I have low sample size, and don't have robotic PFR. like just b/c I raise ATs UTG last time, dosn't mean I'll do it this time. im tightest UTG (19.7%) and loosest OTB (23.6%).

    What I must work on:
    I think my PFR is prolly too high b/c im not a good flop player, and many times Im OOP w/ a loose image, thus have a very difficult time playing flops.
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    6-Max (5,444 hands)
    Position / VP$P / PFR
    Button / 32.67 / 22.22
    CO / 25.03 / 14.85
    MP / 21.07 / 10.98
    UTG / 20.05 / 10.36
    BB / 12.33 / 5.49
    SB / 41.44 / 12.21

    Totals / 26.21 / 12.93

    Full Ring (4,178 hands)
    Button / 22.64 / 12.64
    CO / 22.88 / 14.40
    MP+2 / 17.09 / 10.42
    MP+1 / 19.96 / 13.83
    MP / 17.29 / 10.00
    UTG+1 / 14.58 / 7.03
    UTG / 9.23 / 2.08
    BB / 12.04 / 4.56
    SB / 23.06 / 6.81

    Totals / 18.36 / 9.62

    Never teased out the positional info like this. Interesting to see.

    I'm obviously limping way too often UTG in both games. My six max progresses right as it should, but my full ring is all over the place, although generally trending in the right direction.

    My SB VP$P is huge in six max. I think this is a factor of the low limits I play. With so much limping, I often see a flop for cheap. Don't know if this is a leak, but it is sure possible.

    I feel pretty good about my overall averages, although I may want to tighten up a bit in six max.

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    Last edited by wastrel; 01-13-2007 at 08:10 PM.
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    Nice Thread Gder.

    10 handed:

    My VPIP is 8% across EP
    This rises to 10, 12, 13, 16 approaching the button.

    PFR is 3-4% in EP
    This rises to 6, 7.5, 10, 11 approaching button.

    Yes I am a tight bastard.

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    Full ring stats: (tiny sample like under 1k)
    OTB-CO: 14%
    Middle: 7-10%
    Early: 6%

    Pretty similar to your full table stats. Also, if say first 3-4 players fold in a 10 handed game, I don't really play "6 max style", I play significantly tighter, prolly b/c my brain is in "10 handed mode".
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