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    Here's a hand from last night I wanted to get some thoughts on - mostly on my river play.

    Hand #4186685-6513 at Madras ($.25/$.50 Hold'em)
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    Started at 03/Feb/05 22:37:40

    jimiworm76 is at seat 0 with $10.85.
    MICH is at seat 1 with $13.25.
    3fish is at seat 2 with $5 (sitting out).
    proxfan is at seat 3 with $3.85.
    missandrst is at seat 4 with $8.20.
    Girevik is at seat 5 with $14.70.
    enjay is at seat 6 with $30.95.
    Cover is at seat 7 with $24.75.
    beavis68 is at seat 8 with $10.35.
    Matty Bee is at seat 9 with $11.10.
    The button is at seat 4.

    Girevik posts the small blind of $.10.
    enjay posts the big blind of $.25.

    jimiworm76: -- --
    MICH: -- --
    proxfan: -- --
    missandrst: -- --
    Girevik: 6c 5c
    enjay: -- --
    Cover: -- --
    beavis68: -- --
    Matty Bee: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    Cover folds. beavis68 folds. Matty Bee folds.
    jimiworm76 calls. MICH folds. proxfan calls.
    missandrst folds. Girevik calls. enjay checks.

    Flop (board: 7d 6d 9c):

    Girevik bets $.25. enjay folds. jimiworm76 calls.
    proxfan folds.

    Turn (board: 7d 6d 9c 2c):

    Girevik bets $.50. jimiworm76 calls.

    River (board: 7d 6d 9c 2c 8c):

    Girevik bets $.50. jimiworm76 raises to $1. Girevik
    re-raises to $1.50. jimiworm76 re-raises to $2.
    Girevik calls.



    Showdown:

    jimiworm76 shows Tc Jc.
    jimiworm76 has Tc Jc 9c 2c 8c: flush, jack high.
    Girevik mucks cards.
    (Girevik has 6c 5c.)


    Hand #4186685-6513 Summary:

    $.30 is raked from a pot of $6.50.
    jimiworm76 wins $6.20 with flush, jack high.


    Basically I was thinking that if he had the flush I was probably beat, but given the fact that he'd need two clubs, and I knew were 5 of the 13 were, I figured the odds of him having them were slim - with a board of 6,7,8,9 I thought a straight was more likely. When he re-raised to cap it I figured I was dead, but I was getting 12-1 pot odds and couldn't seen folding there just in case he WOULD cap with a straight.

    Should I have just called his raise and let it go at 2 bets?

    Why couldn't that damn 7 have been the 7c and given the straight flush? That would have been my best hand of all time.

    BTW - what's that hand converter everyone is using? I don't have that link.

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    simple check call on the river, you are either beat or he will not call your bet.

    good example of when only a better hand will call, y

    ou are willing to put in 1 more bet but he is only going to call or raise you with a hand that can beat you. instead use that 1 extra bet to call with, this way you will induce him to bluff when he doesn't have you beat (winning a bet that betting out doesn't get you) and you only lose 1 bet instead of 2 or more when you are beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-O
    simple check call on the river, you are either beat or he will not call your bet.
    I don't know about that - I'd have to think he would deffinately have called, and maybe raised, with the straight - even with 3 to the flush on the board.

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    exactly! he calls or raises when he has you beat and folds if he doesn't. Do you think he will call with a pair with that board?
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    I'm sorry i didn't see it was a flush on the river I thought you both had straights.

    A main reason I hate when people post hand histories, instead of typing out a summary.
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    Ignore what i said above, however if it wasn't a club on the river my advice was spot on!!! lol
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    I thought you were going nuts steve-o.

    This is a tough one Gir. People are so flush shy, it may have been better to just call the raise.

    Gir went on a tear after this and won 3 8BB pots in a row.

    The only pot I won all night was a bluff from the BB with 74o.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis68
    People are so flush shy, it may have been better to just call the raise.
    Well, in hindsight I KNOW it would have been better!

    I guess I just got caught up in the "what are the odds he has two of the 8 clubs left in the deck?" thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girevik

    I guess I just got caught up in the "what are the odds he has two of the 8 clubs left in the deck?" thinking.
    Well, the odds get a lot better when you are raised and capped.

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    Yeah - when he capped I was pretty sure I was beat, but I had 12-1 odds. I had to take the shot just in case he would cap with the top straight.

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