Okay, the background story...this was easily the oddest $5/$0.50 SnG I've sat in for some time. I got *no* play on any of the hands I raised on preflop -- every one of them was folded back to me -- until there were four players left. As a result, I found myself at about 1200 chips with 4 players left. Finally caught play with pocket 9's to double up, which got me into the money, then caught a horrid run of cards to back into second place, where I was facing an 1,800-11,700 disparity in chips heads up. I was able to battle back up to only a 6,500-7,000 deficit when the following hand came up. Vital relevant information...my opponent was a female who had played extremely passively with her chip advantage. Her standard preflop play was to either flat call or raise to double the big blind...a re-raise in many cases was winning me the pot but I was suspecting she was keeping this pattern to trap me with a monster hand at some stage.
So we get the following hand...blinds 300/600 ante 50. Her stack 7,000, Me 6,500
I'm holding 7s 5d in the BB. She's flat called...we see a flop.
8d 6d 5c
She leads into me for 600 here...I think about re-raising, but I've been doing this fairly regularly to pick up pots and if I can hit the straight this might be my chance to tip the balance in my favor. I call. Let's see that turn card...
8d 6d 5c Jd
She bets another 600 into me. Here's where my dilemma hits me hard...I have low pair on the board, an open-ended straight draw and a draw for a flush (albeit not a good one). There's now 3,100 in the pot and I have 5,250 in front of me.
Your play recommendation?
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Thread: From a Sunday SnG...
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01-31-2005 #1
From a Sunday SnG...
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01-31-2005 #2
Raise to 2000.
If she goes over the top you are beat and can fold and try and rebuild again
If she folds you are happy.
If she calls you see the river and might hit an out.
Heads up aggression - rawr
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01-31-2005 #3PokerForums God
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a pair and an OESD, I would have gone all in on the flop - you probably have 13 outs if you don't have the best hand right now.
But I would just call on the turn, your hand isn't as strong now, take the cheap card.
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01-31-2005 #4River Rat
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I think that this is a raise or fold situation. You described your opponent as passive, so the fact that she has bet into twice suggests that she has a hand. Whatever hand she has almost certainly beats you since you only have bottom pair. Thus, to win this hand in a showdown, you have to improve on the river.
The real question is whether improving to a straight would be enough. I'm not sure that I would include the diamond draw among my outs because my diamond is of such a low rank. Moreover, if your opponent already has a flush, you could be drawing dead. Thus, I think that you need to do something on the turn to figure out where you stand if you want to play further with this hand.
I think raising her 600 bet to 1500 should get the job done, since that would be a pretty sizable raise and represent half the pot. You would be representing the flush with that bet, and it would be consistent with your flat call on the flop. If your opponent has the flush and it's a good one, you should find out unless she is a truly passive calling station. If she doesn't have the flush, I think that the bet puts a lot of pressure on her and may even win you the pot right there. If she winds up just calling, my guess is that she would check the river to you, and you might get to see the showdown for free.
One final thought, you mentioned that you were worried that your opponent might be setting you up to be trapped. If that is the case, I don't think folding is such a horrible option here. While you have already invested 1,200 in this pot, you still have a fair amount of chips, especially against an opponent who is not being very aggressive before the flop. Under those circumstances, you'll probably get the chance to see a lot more cards and perhaps get a better opportunity to get your chips in.
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01-31-2005 #5
This is not a raise or fold situation. I'll problably flat call the flop, then raise the turn to 2000ish
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01-31-2005 #6River Rat
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bonch... we're already at the turn. I agree that flat calling the flop is the right move. But now you're on the turn, the flush has hit, and your opponent has bet into you again. I don't see callling the turn as an appropriate option. You have to try to find out if you are up against the flush. Otherwise, your straight could hit or a third 5 could fall on the river, and you'd wind up losing your entire stack.
Originally Posted by bonchkid
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01-31-2005 #7PokerForums God
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Why is flat calling the flop heads-up the right move?
You have the 5d, if he has a flush draw you are ahead - although if he does have too overs you have many outs to beat the overs.
You have a monster hand heads-up why do you flat call?
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01-31-2005 #8
Responding the situation as presented at the turn I'd raise, but I agree it's a raise on the flop ideally.
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01-31-2005 #9River Rat
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I think a call on the flop is the right move because you are almost certainly behind here. This is a passive opponent that has bet into you. In my view, that makes it unlikely that she betting into you with only overcards. It seems far more likely that she has a hand, and you're hand at this point is bottom pair. Hers is probably better, and raising her is unlikely to get her to drop it.
Originally Posted by Beavis68
Now you do have a very strong draw, but why pay more than necessary to see the next card? As it turns out, the next card presents you with a great bluffing opportunity if you're opponent has been playing a middle pair or top pair on the flop. The Jd could be a scare card for her, either because it tops her pair or makes a flush. Thus, it seems to me that the opportunity to outplay her and move her off a hand comes on the turn, not the flop (that is, assuming that she is not playing a good flush draw herself).
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01-31-2005 #10PokerForums God
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So a tight opponent min-betting a flop of 865 means you are behind? to what? K8? A6?
Unless she has a set you are at worst 44% to win a hand, and you have a lot of fold equity against a tight player.
Now the turn comes, and you did not define your hand, but you want to raise 1/3 of your stack when you no longer have good pot equity and may be drawing dead? The time to move was on the flop. Just call and hope you didn't let her flush.
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