I play a very LAG game now when playing with 3-6 players and have founf it to be profitable overall.
There are however a few negative aspects for me and I wondered how people feel about them.
E.g I am playing 4 handed $200NL all stacks are deep.
I raise perhaps 50% of my buttons to $7 and if I get 1 call will C-bet most flops for around 2/3 pot (around $10).
This means alot of the time I pick up $3 uncontested
If reraised I probably fold and lose $7
A lot of the time when called I profit $8 - $9
If raised/called on flop bluffing and I end up folding/losing hand I lose $17.
If you are picking up a lot of hads like 87s/A5s/TJo which are missing the flop and getting played back at a bit this soon equates to a losing session.
Under which conditions do you feel you have to abandon the LAG approach, or do you also begin to double barrel bluff if called too regularly on flop?
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11-09-2006 #1
Problems with a LAG game (NL Hold Em short handed)
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11-09-2006 #2
Well when people play long enough with you they'll spot your pattern, so they'll raise you everytime no matter what they have. That's what I do HU if my opponent keeps betting every flop.
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11-09-2006 #3
I don't double barrel people who I play with a lot. They'll call me with Ace high unless I spend more for the pot than I want to. Switching it up is important, but run come that can last days where it seems like you miss every flop. Stop CB'ing because you're doing it too much and use your CB's for value when you finally hit and make 'em bigger. It looks like you're sick of people calling your CB's and they'll call with an even wider range.
Picking that spot's up to you.
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11-09-2006 #4
wota, when your flop cb's are called.. how are you usually playing the turn, and more importantly the river when your in position and it gets checked to you??..
For me, in most cases, if my opponent check-calls the flop cb, and checks to me on turn.. i will check behind.. but if he checks again on river, I most likely will 1/2 pot the river with nothing..
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11-09-2006 #5
I don't think you should auto c-bet every flop. Like rag flops, 932 ppl will often call b/c they don't think you paired.
I think you should start double and triple barelling on ragged flops, where as if you cbet an AQ7 flop and get called,you might wanna slowdown. Also, I think 50% is a bit high from the button. Usually if the stacks are deep like 150bb+ I will tighten up mainly b/c I don't like being involved in huge pots. Lately on FT I'v been quite lucky with my triple barells. The loose players havn't been calling.
Even though I raise alot pf, I think im more TAG then LAG. I think truely to be LAG you must be able to consistently stick 50+bb bets into pots with nothing.
Also, if you do find yourself cheking the turns after they call, I suggest doing same with your strong hands. That way your bluffs on rivers match your strong hands.
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LAG play is not as easy to use at limits like 50NL 100NL or 200NL even. so many bets are called that you arent folding out the hands that you should be and it's generally harder to push people off of hands. IMO just play TAG with no tricks at these levels and save the LAG play for the higher stakes.
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11-10-2006 #7
certainly at the Swedish B2B sites at these limts -if you CB from late you will automatically get re-rerasied from early... they assume if you're late you're bluffing. Dropping back on the preflop raise shouldn't be abused too much either..
If you get a rainbow weak flop - at this level most will assume that a LAG is bluffing. and limping in with 9/8 os early starts to be profitable against these sorts of players... Yes.. I enjoy people triple barreling me on a weak mid pair
Increasingly I'm moving towards strategies for the first "20 hands" of a table -ppl tend to give you the beneft of the doubt.. I am geting concerned that even at these limits ppl really hook onto your style after this point. I think there's a danger that even a table that is full of bad players still adjusts to you enough to knock your win rate down..
So in answer.. I think it depends on your rep' and who your up against (really helpful huh?). I know the maths..but I always do better when I play fewer tables at the higher limits and I get a "feel" for what I can get away with.. e.g if someone is feeling bruised after losing a hand they tend to put down a bit more and are vulnerable to CB's... etc etc.See me playing $10/$20NL like it was play money
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11-10-2006 #8
In my experience a LAG approach is more succesful at a $100-$200NL game that at $1000NL.
I find the average $100-$200 player is weak-tight.
- If they reraise preflop they have KK/AA most of the time.
- If they have 77 and having raised preflop you bet a A52 flop they fold most of the time.
- They will still however stack off on TPTK/overpair fairly regularly if you put them all in
At $100-$200 it is easy to bluff people off hands and also as they are so passive to give credit for raises. At $1000NL I made money playing super TAG. People would reraise me with a hand like 88 preflop, call to the river with an underpair/2nd pair, raise me all in on stone cold bluffs. Everyone else seems to be playing LAG so TAG works quite well (admittedly if I played more hands with the same people they would get a read and stop paying me off no doubt).
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11-10-2006 #9
I agree with Wota here.. Playing LAG is more profitable then playing TAG at NL100 and NL200 because those games are riddled with weak-tight donkeys. If u play tag its very hard to stack someone cuz people are rocks and they dont like getting their money in postflop in a raised pot pf unless they have the nuts or something close to it - so its very hard to get paid postflop imo when playing TAG. However, playing lag at these tables you will gain alot of money from blind steals, and raising pf in position and outplaying ur opponents on the flop with a cb in position. These guys will let u do this to them because they are very weak postflop players, and they almost never ever play back at you preflop with a re-raise. This is for full ring btw, 6max however, im not so sure.
Last edited by Eclipse86; 11-10-2006 at 04:11 PM.
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11-10-2006 #10
I'm new to NL100 but so far I 100% agree with Eclipse.
I can sit down at a table, raise PF 3-4 times in a row and not 1 person will stand up to me. Maybe 1 or 2 of them will call but if they do then they will almost always fold to my inevitable c-bet. I was talking to my buddy on MSN (Zacobius) while I was playing and I said to him "it seems like these people are afraid of the money....once the big bets start going in, they just get scared."
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